Thomas_More
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” Another biblical lie is the Jericho walls; there were no walls at that time that the Bible mentioned, and they were destroyed by the Israelite; it was a poor neighbourhood., the modern archeolgy made profound research digging deeper than other arqueochologist who had religious point of views, and they did not find any evidences Ironically, they had received the Ten Commandments from Moses, but one of its clauses says: You shall not kill, but according to the narrative, more than 12,000 peoples were killed and several cities were burned down.”
No problem with that. I agree.
” The ethnological notebooks of Karl Marx cover Africa, Asia and other parts of the world besides Europe, and Marx and Engels wrote extensively on Colonialism.”
I know. I don’t disagree. Why you get angry over no disagreement is something I don’t understand.
” The problem is that you are negating the contribution made by Africa to world history; even more, Africa was the cradle of civilisation. ”
I do not deny that at all. Where do you get that idea? I have never denied that.
” I know that you have not read the book; it does not say that Christianity was started in Egypt; it says that the myth of a messiah was taken from Africa and especially from Egypt, and it was transformed into Christianity ( which should be called Jesuism), which was also established in Rome.”
No problem there. But I’ve agreed with that in numerous messages.
Christian “communists” forebears of socialists, or forebears of Stalin? (Or Jim Jones?)
Ananias and Sapphira sold some property and brought the bulk of the proceeds to give to the church. They kept some of their own money for their own sustenance. Peter challenged them on this, and both of them were done to death and speedily buried.
I know there was no exodus, no large Hebrew population in Egypt, no slavery, no Moses, etc. Had they crossed the Red Sea, they would still have been in Egyptian territory. The Old Testament “history” before Ezra is all made up – and it was made up by the Jewish monotheist intelligentsia returning from Babylonian exile in the time of Cyrus.
Evidences that Christians made use of ancient nyths about Osiris and Horus in creating the Jesus story? That is NOT evidence of Christianity in Egypt 3000 years before!
If you think that, then you are negating Kautsky’s materialist study of Christian origins in the social and economic landscape of the Roman Empire.The myths in question could indeed have been used by gospel writers in their fabrication of the Jesus story, just as they used the life of the Buddha to produce Balaam and Jehosaphat. But adapting myths to use for their stories is NOT the same as saying Christianity started in Egypt 3000 years earlier. That is preposterous.
Again, which period are we in? I thought we were discussing the origins of Christianity, not the age of colonialism, Atlantic slavery, etc? You are floating everywhere.
Have you ever been in a Coptic, Ethiopian, Nestorian, or Orthodox church? Have you lived in mountain monasteries?
You will see lots of Chinese Nestorian saints from before Marco Polo and lots of black saints in Ethiopia. Did you know there were black Nubian crusading knights during the Crusades, some of whom are saints? They fought as equals with the Latins of England and France.
I am sure you know a lot about the Caribbean and South America and about Spanish Catholic colonialism. But that is a thousand years or 1,500 years later than the era I thought this was about. The Roman Catholic Church didn’t exist until 1054, and Christianity was already nearly a thousand years old by then.
“I don’t care about dates.”
But dates are important, which is possibly why you are floating between vastly different centuries.
If Engels is wrong about the book of Revelation’s date, then he is wrong about Nero and the nonexistent Neronian persecution.
At least he would have told you that the Roman proletariat was not a working class. So would Kautsky.
Marxians’ desire to view the early Christians as political forebears is also highly dubious. One would also have to include other Jewish resistance groups of the time. Do we really want to?
One does no service to historical materialism by being confused about historical eras and making wide erroneous statements, which make a reader think we are anhistoricist conspiraloons.
Africanism can be as erroneous as Eurocentrism. Knowledge of history brings a correct perspective.
