Thomas_More
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I said be our guest where no harm is caused. We won’t force you to see a doctor, just suggest you do.
Maybe you’d like a mansion with 140 rooms. Be our guest. But good luck persuading any suckers to clean them for you, in a world without wages and without any admiration for anyone with such decadent proclivities. They’d say you were either ill, or a bad actor playing at being a member of a dead class.
But you wouldn’t be harming anyone, so good luck. Except your ten cars better not be polluting ones. Also, cars will probably have been replaced by different modes of transport, in a world where technology has been released to serve safer means, and where it is no longer necessary for millions of people to rush somewhere every day in the service of the god profit.
That you would want ten cars just for you is a statement that you don’t give a damn about pollution either.
Are your meals also of proportions fit for George IV or Louis XIV?
Do you get through a barrel of mashed potato each day? Do you wear two sets of clothes a day and then chuck them?War by 2030.
The only way NATO and the EU can be so certain of this is if they plan to initiate it.The basis of society is the same as when Marx was writing, but capitalism has not stood still since then.
Marx today would be a 21st century socialist, not a 19th century one.Socialists should surely respond to sensibilities which were barely circulating in the 19th/early 20th century, but which are forced by the realities of capitalist destruction to be awakening now.
Our task must be to show people the link.Are you going to say to the concerned, “I support socialism so I’ll be able to do what I want”?
Socialism may not have police in the sense we have today, but anyone causing harm won’t have carte blanche.
The native Americans had shunning, but that doesn’t mean they also didn’t physically stop a do-badder from doing what he was doing.
What is your definition of ‘rampaging capitalism’? Building infrastructure? Planning to travel to Mars?
No. Rampant pollution, deforestation, driving other animals to extinction, poisoning the seas and the land, killing for fun (“sport”), driving tribal communities out of existence, fracking, more and more weaponry for nation-states, you name it.
Obesity at one end of the scale and starvation at the other. But hey, we can all become obese! Won’t that be fun? Just reproduce the parasitism of the capitalists, but for everyone!
If you don’t view capitalism as rampant and destructive, what are you doing here?
We don’t want socialism in order to be free to live like rampaging capitalists, but to save our world from rampaging capitalism.
Sounds to me like you envy the capitalist class and see socialism as a ticket for being free to behave like them without any laws, money, etc. standing in your way.
That is not why we are socialists, and has never been so.
And so with socialism.
Coming out of capitalism will be a damaged people, but the fact that they have opted for socialism and understood it will imply a sense of responsibility, which at first will mean some sacrifice.
A society of abundance can be built, but that goes hand in hand with responsibility and abstaining from harm.
‘An irresponsible society would never establish socialism. The irresponsible thrive already’.
So Socialism is impossible.
If you buy into the selfish human nature myth.
Yes, socialism will never be made by people who don’t care about the planet and the welfare of other beings. It will be made by more people who do care becoming aware that capitalism is the problem.
The “don’t give a damn” crowd are those who mock the idea of socialism; who laugh at “do-gooders.” A socialist says better a do-gooder than a do-badder.
Those who commit harm now would be stopped, i e. the expropriation of the capitalist class in the first place. Socialism’s first priority, after getting food, clothing and shelter to those without them, would be to reverse what can be reversed of the damage capitalism has done; not a free-for-all licence for those wanting to continue the damage.
It strikes me that a conscious socialist population would be prepared to sacrifice production that is harmful to the natural environment, toxic to it, cruel and harmful to other species, and not necessary for humans to live. People who “don’t give a damn” about these things where their pleasures are concerned would, I hope, be publicly shamed. Socialism would, I hope, be a responsible and compassionate society first and foremost, and not a free-for-all for irresponsible hedonists and destructive people.
