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ParticipantWe’ve already answered. What about you attending to our points made?
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ParticipantNotice he does not respond to any content, including our pointing out his historical errors.
One can only believe he has very little knowledge of 20th century Chinese history too. It is through awareness of history that we understand the world we live in today.
He sees Têng Hsiao-p’ing as the capitalist saviour of his “regulated capitalist” China, in spite of the fact that Têng was a butchering bandit in the 1930s and the violent repressor of the 1989 pro-democracy uprising.
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Participant” I’m sure if I put you all into one room you’d spend forever arguing amongst yourselves.”
So, the very opposite, then, of the mindless cult of followers you suppose us to be!
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ParticipantAnd I have already told you, Grandpa, that we already exposed Bolshevism in 1918. But obviously you are just gliding by our postings in order to repeat the same old things.
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ParticipantGrandpa, you are not even reading our answers, are you? Each of your posts merely repeat themselves.
And you haven’t answered any of our points put to you, whereas we have answered all of yours, over and over.
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ParticipantCiudanado, you are absolutely correct.
I subscribed to Peking Review in the 1970s and had all the works of Stalin and Mao published by FLP Peking.
I have learned a lot about China since and realise how full of errors on Chinese history the books from Peking were while the Maoists were still in power. Chinese Literature magazine too was a load of vicious rot while the “Cultural Revolution” gang were still in power. In the subsequent decades it became a decent literary journal, freed from all Maoist nonsense. One could buy classics too very cheap, including de luxe hardbacks such as Wu Ch’ing-tzu’s The Scholars – still the most luxurious volume in my home library. FLP published P’u Yi’s autobiography in two hardback volumes, and Panda Books published some great literature, including a novel about the first Manchu emperor and a pretty four-volume edition of Chinese folk tales. FLP also produced an English four volume boxed set of The Water Margin, with Ming dynasty woodcuts, and all very affordable.
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ParticipantGlad you are better L.Bird, and hope your health will improve more. Be well, and all our best regards.
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ParticipantQuite so, Ciudanado. You are absolutely correct.
Living in a place does not guarantee one knows anything of its history. I’ve known Chinese who have never heard of the Ch’ing dynasty and who know no more of the history of China than many do here in the UK of British history.The fake “Communist” victory in China in 1945-1949 was a massive tidal wave of peasant armies sweeping the country, carrying Mao and his cronies on its shoulders, certainly not a coup. (Chiang’s April 1927 takeover was a coup.)
“Leaders” do not lead, they are carried, and Mao & Co. were carried to power by millions of peasants – peasants for whom “Communist” was a mere word they had no understanding of; a mere label.-
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ParticipantThere are many good people in the Catholic Church. It is renowned for its centres of classical learning, run indeed mostly by the Jesuits. I attended Fribourg university, the principal Catholic university in Switzerland. One professor had a huge poster on his door of Thomas Muenzer!
A student I lived with ran the theology faculty’s paper and was asked to print a full page ad for a local Catholic bookshop. He had a great sense of humour and printed it on the centrefold, opposite a full page photo of Karl Marx!😀At Kent university the only paper that printed my ads for SPGB meetings was the Anglo-Catholic paper. The students union paper wouldn’t do so.
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ParticipantGrandpa still hasn’t explained how Mao took power by coup d’état, which, as we know, he didn’t. Not of the country. He did however browbeat his way to control of the “Communist” Party, but that was during the Long March.
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ParticipantBijou 👍
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ParticipantBut I do. 😀
However, I also learned from the inside, because when I was 17 to 20 years old my last adolescent phase was Orthodoxy. I outgrew it but in the interim I learned firsthand a lot about Orthodox monasticism, living with monks in the Greek mountains. Whereas most in western Europe think of the Roman Church as central – the “original” Church – I learned that this was not so. The factional struggles within Christianity were fought out in the East. Also, unknown to western Christians, it was an Asiatic and ascetic religion, and totally alien to the modern forms in the West today.
Throwing it off was a real emancipation, but what I had learned of its history, ritual and culture was invaluable.-
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Participant” the government of the country which represented us. ”
Governments do not represent the working class, even though the working class are duped into electing them. Governments represent the capitalist interests of the nation-state. So when one uses “we” one is identifying with the exploiting class. Unless you are a capitalist? I don’t mean someone who just supports capitalism, but someone who lives on rent, interest and profit, surplus value, on the shoulders of the workers.
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ParticipantNext you’ll be calling Richard Strauss and Friedrich Nietzsche Nazis!
The SPGB didn’t condemn Bolshevism after it had fallen. We condemned it already in 1918.
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