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” So, the god of Israel told Joseph to take Jesus to Egypt, a place populated by African peoples. How was a white Jesus able to hide himself within a black population? Based on the narrative, Joseph, Mary and Jesus had to be black.”
Who said Jesus was white? He would have been a semite, like other Jews of the time. The population of Egypt wasn’t all black by that time. It was ruled by the Greek Ptolemy dynasty and was cosmopolitan.
” The white Europeans were not going to accept a black African god either, and they have always tried to undermine the contributions of the African peoples to world history.”
Do you mean the Romans? The Romans were not racist, and Rome had all religions represented, even Buddhism. Egyptian cults were welcome in Rome and the gods were viewed by the Romans as their own, with different names. The Romans sacrificed to regional gods when they travelled, and many Romans joined Asian and African cults.
The Christians did not come from Africa but from Galilee and Judaea, but they adopted into their religion Egyptian and other themes. All the themes in Christianity had antecedents in Egypt and Africa, and the religion very quickly established itself in north Africa and in Egypt.” the original Hebrews were black Africans; the ones living in Israel are white Europeans.”
We all come from Africa, but in prehistory. In historical times, the Hebrews came from the east, probably Babylonia, which would explain the Adam and Eve and Noah’s ark myths. Abraham was Ab Ram, the Hindu god Rama.
Yes, the modern Israelis are Europeans, but there are still Palestinians who are from the original Jews, and many oppose Israel.
On this forum we are restricted to threads and can’t expand beyond the immediate topic.
Ciudanado, whom I like, seems to take umbrage even when agreed with.
Thanks, but don’t you know I said Engels was mistaken about the date of the Book of Revelation, which makes me a Bernsteinian revisionist?
Preparing for war.
TASS:
31 Jul, 17:37
Europe’s ‘silence of lambs,’ war with Russia, Ceuta: Foreign Ministry comment
Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Grushko stressed that at present the EU is focused on the tasks of militarization, “demonization” of Russia and preparations for war with it
Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Grushko Alexander Shcherbak/TASS
Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Grushko
© Alexander Shcherbak/TASS
MOSCOW, July 31. /TASS/. Today, the European Union is focused on the tasks of militarization, “demonization” of Russia and preparations for war with it, while trying to “sweep under the carpet” its own problems, such as the massive crossing of migrants into Ceuta in Spain, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Grushko said.The upcoming joint nuclear exercises of Germany and France demonstrate that the Europeans are preparing for war with Russia.
TASS has compiled the key statements by the deputy foreign minister.
Migration crisis in Spain
Russia is amazed at the news from Ceuta, which testifies to the collapse of the EU migration policy: “We look at this news with great surprise, of course, and sympathize with the human tragedy. In any case, this is such a humanitarian catastrophe that affects everyone, but at the same time it must be admitted that this is the collapse of the immigration policy that has been pursued by the European Union for many years.”Moscow expects that the problem with migrants in Spain will be solved “in accordance with the norms of international law, with a tolerant and humanitarian attitude towards the fate of every migrant.”
The EU is trying to sweep its own problems, such as the current situation on the Spanish-Moroccan border under the carpet.
Germany’s preparations for war with Russia
Today, the European Union is focused on the tasks of militarization, “demonization” of Russia and preparations for war with it: “But today everything is subordinated to the task of militarization, everything is subordinated to the task of preparing a war with Russia, demonizing our country.”Berlin’s plans for militarization are no secret to Russia: “For us, of course, this policy of militarization is not a secret. We see it, and our plans will be adjusted accordingly – military-political and military construction plans.”
The desire of European countries not to notice the militarization of Germany is surprising, this is the silence of the lambs: “But the amazing thing is that Europe is silent on this issue. Such is the silence of the lambs.”
The upcoming joint nuclear exercises of Germany and France demonstrate that the Europeans are preparing for war with Russia: “The Europeans are preparing for war with Russia. They don’t hide it, they speak publicly [about it]. I don’t remember who, but one of the officials, the French defense minister, I think, said, ‘We must prepare our French sons to fight with Russia.’”
The Engels and Kautsky idea of a communist early Christianity makes the same mistake as does everyone who talks of an early Christianity. One assumes there was such a thing: one, uniform, early Christianity; purer than those that followed. Both socialists and evangelicals believe in this fallacy. The Orthodox too believe in it: an orthodox early church, before the heresies sullied it.
The communalism described in the Acts of the Apostles was only mandated within the sect in question. It did not extend to outsiders, and certainly not to other Christian sects. (As Celsus says, the Christians detested each other and abused each other constantly.)
The desire to have like forebears is understandable, both for modern socialists and modern Christians, but that desire is in the mind of the modern, and not necessarily backed up by history.
Celsus, Porphyry and Julian: writings against the Christians.
” Karl Kautsky characterized the Roman proletariat as a non-productive, parasitic class that lived off state-provided grain and public charity rather than a revolutionary, wage-earning workforce. Key aspects of his analysis include:Economic and Social NatureParasitic existence: Unlike the modern industrial working class that drives production, the free citizens of Rome survived on state largesse, slave-labor spoils, and provincial plunder.Political reliance: They used their democratic voting power in the capital to extract luxury goods and enjoyment shares from the ruling state rather than transforming the mode of production.Relation to Slavery and ChristianityIsolation from slaves: Kautsky noted that a true revolutionary overthrow of ancient slavery failed because the Roman proletariat never united with enslaved laborers; instead, they sat above slaves in the social hierarchy as propertyless free citizens.Roots of early religion: In works like Foundations of Christianity, he argued that early Christian movements reflected the broader plebeian and downtrodden mix of both this urban proletariat and exploited slaves.”
Engels wrong too:
” In The Myth of Persecution, historian and theologian Candida Moss argues that the traditional Neronian persecution of Christians in AD 64 is largely a second-century anachronistic projection.Problems with the Nero Persecution MythTerminology mismatch: The specific label “Christian” was not widely used or recognized as a distinct religious identity during Nero’s reign (he died in AD 68), as believers in Rome were still largely viewed as a part of Judaism.Late sources: The famous account of Nero blaming Christians for the Great Fire of Rome comes from the Roman historian Tacitus, who wrote and published his work (Annals) around the end of the first or early second century—decades after the event.Projected hostility: Moss contends that Tacitus and later writers projected the anti-Christian sentiments and legal tensions of their own contemporary second-century world back onto the reign of Nero.Implications for the Date of RevelationChallenging late-first-century context: Because the systemic scapegoating and targeting of an independent group called “Christians” under Nero does not hold up to strict historical scrutiny, arguments that tie early apocalyptic literature (like the Book of Revelation) directly to a mid-60s Neronian terror require re-evaluation.Shifting timelines: Moss’s broader thesis questions the existence of a sustained, empire-wide “Age of Martyrs” in the first three centuries, pushing the historical crystallization of intense, targeted Christian persecution and its corresponding literature further into later periods of the Roman Empire.”
” Judaism and Christianity did not originate in Africa; instead, both faiths developed in the Levant region of the Near East (the historic lands of Israel, Judah, and Judea). While Africa holds a deep and ancient place in biblical history and early church development—hosting thriving communities in Egypt, Sudan, and Ethiopia by the 1st and 4th centuries—the foundational roots of both religions are firmly Middle Eastern.Geographic OriginsJudaism: Emerged in the southern Levant (Canaan/Israel/Judea) over 3,000 years ago as the indigenous faith of the Israelite people.Christianity: Started in 1st-century Judea and Galilee as an offshoot of Second Temple Judaism centered around the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth.The Levantine Context: Original figures, patriarchs, prophets, and disciples were native to the Western Fertile Crescent and Near East, not the African continent.Early Presence in AfricaEgypt and North Africa: Christianity and Jewish diaspora communities arrived in North Africa very early (1st century AD), establishing major theological centers in Alexandria and Carthage.The Kingdom of Aksum: Located in modern-day Ethiopia and Eritrea, Aksum officially adopted Christianity in the 4th century under King Ezana, making it one of the earliest Christian states globally.Distinction: Establishing deep, early roots and vital historical centers on the African continent is historically distinct from the original geographic genesis of the religions.”
