Thomas_More
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” I was beaten up in this forum because I said it is just a bourgeois movement, and I will say it here and in the grave.”
I think there are some members still fossilised in the mid-20th century, whose only world is Marxian economics. Even though they are socialists, they remain daubed unwittingly with “flat-cap” leftist prejudice. Which is why they snort, for instance, at progressive views on other fellow animals, new insights, etc.
Many pay lip-service to William Morris and Shelley, but were they to personally meet them, or have them turn up from the grave on this forum, they would lambast them as bourgeois dilettantes.
Exxon Mobil wants to drive harbour porpoises, the little mini whales, from their North Sea home.
The oil giant’s plan is to blast the ocean floor with sound cannons—for three months, nonstop, to build a carbon capture and storage site.
But the porpoises are already under massive stress from noise pollution. (Source: eko.org)
Remember when children not only had real books, but real toys to play with, real games (I don’t mean organised sports), real friendships etc? An active and inquisitive life and hence real growth of personality and optimism. Even under capitalism, we had hope and things were real. Objects were held. Children sat in bookshops and libraries, turning the pages of books. We went to toyshops and chose toys which exercised hands and brains. I don’t remember anyone just shrugging at everything around them and grumbling “Whatever!”
We were taught history and were close to it. Opening a book we were part of it. We made things, drew, coloured, worked with scissors, glue and cardboard.
But you’ll just say, “Who needs those things when we’ve got virtual?” And that helps the capitalists take away even those things we DID have, even though we were proles.
I respect the Amish and the Hutterites. Their societies are ready-made for socialism. Both societies are chronicled in books by John Hostetler, himself a man born into the Amish community. Socialism will respect these people and leave them in peace.
Bulk orders for millions of books, to be destroyed.
The scene that supporters of an “angry early Christianity” love is that of Jesus overthrowing the table in the temple. Anyone would think it was a church hall jumblesale!
The tables were enormous and the antechambers to the temple colossal. The space was unbelievable and choc a bloc full of people, and soldiers policing them. Not only would Jesus be unable to overthrow the table, he would have been seized on the spot.I agree. It is a tragedy.
In Switzerland a friend saved what books he could from a spent bonfire where the university library had been burning old hardback books of classic literature.
Quite so, but that’s quite different from dumping books and knowledge/literacy of the past as “bourgeois” endeavours. That is Maoist.
I’m not a slum landlord because I read Cicero. And I’m not for doing away with his writings. Are people not to learn about him and his society? I never spoke of lionizing anyone either.
However, Cicero published Lucretius’ materialist work, On Nature, even though Cicero was a theist and idealist and strongly disagreed with it. Pseudo-Marxists, like Mao, are for destroying what they don’t agree with, not making it available.
I’ve heard once or twice this Maoist attitude from party members:
“Grammar is not important. It is bourgeois, and so is classical literature. So developments like ‘I could of’, ‘I would of’, etc. are perfectly logical as all things change, including speech and writing. So bourgeois rules will have no place in socialism, and the classics too were the voice of the ruling class, as were rules of grammar.”
So classical literature and philology too can be left to die.
And so I ask, how will anyone learn Latin and classical Greek without grammar? And I will receive the reply,
“Who the heck in socialism would want to waste their time with dead languages? They were another bourgeois imposition of the past.”Sounds more like Trumpianism than Marxism to me. I guess historical research and archaeology, and the understanding of discovered writings can all be dumped. After all, as Henry Ford said, “History is bunk.” “Yes. We could of told you that!”
