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August 3, 2026 at 10:19 pm #265153
Ciudadano Del Mundo
ParticipantSo, the god of Israel told Joseph to take Jesus to Egypt, a place populated by African peoples. How was a white Jesus able to hide himself within a black population? Based on the narrative, Joseph, Mary and Jesus had to be black.
If Moses was a white Hebrew, why did he marry a black woman, and his sons were pagans, and her father was a pagan priest? According to the narrative, he grew up under the teaching of the Jews laws.
If Sinai was in Africa, why god told Moses that he was stepping on holy land? We might conclude that Africa was the real holy land and the promised land
This is a real mess
August 3, 2026 at 10:23 pm #265154Ciudadano Del Mundo
Participanthttps://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2026/01/04/tvzi-j04.html
This is the real biological history of mankind; the rest is just sociological and racist conceptions. The original civilisation started in Africa. White people have always tried to indicate that they brought civilisation to the rest of the world, and people from other parts of the world did not create anything, as they have tried to hide the scientific advancement and contributions made by the Sumerians and the Egyptians in mathematics, physics, medicine, and philosophy. If Jesus really existed in the Middle East as the Bible says, he was a black man, and all his apostles and family members were black too.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2026/04/22/lbms-a22.html
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There is more about the China Man and the Cheddar Ma.n.
The Yankees have tried to do the same thing regarding Latin America ( continental ) and the Caribbean islands, as they have never contributed anything to mankind, like Haiti, they only talk about vudu but they never mention the contributions made by the Haitian people regarding capitalist development, anti slavery, and anti-colonial movement, commerce and constituional law, the same thing is about Mexico, the spaniard spread the cult of mary based on superstitions o pacify the Mayas and the aztec, but their civilization was more advanced than the europeans invaders proven by several historians and anthropologis.
August 3, 2026 at 10:44 pm #265155Thomas_More
Participant” the original Hebrews were black Africans; the ones living in Israel are white Europeans.”
We all come from Africa, but in prehistory. In historical times, the Hebrews came from the east, probably Babylonia, which would explain the Adam and Eve and Noah’s ark myths. Abraham was Ab Ram, the Hindu god Rama.
Yes, the modern Israelis are Europeans, but there are still Palestinians who are from the original Jews, and many oppose Israel.
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August 3, 2026 at 10:55 pm #265157Thomas_More
Participant” The white Europeans were not going to accept a black African god either, and they have always tried to undermine the contributions of the African peoples to world history.”
Do you mean the Romans? The Romans were not racist, and Rome had all religions represented, even Buddhism. Egyptian cults were welcome in Rome and the gods were viewed by the Romans as their own, with different names. The Romans sacrificed to regional gods when they travelled, and many Romans joined Asian and African cults.
The Christians did not come from Africa but from Galilee and Judaea, but they adopted into their religion Egyptian and other themes. All the themes in Christianity had antecedents in Egypt and Africa, and the religion very quickly established itself in north Africa and in Egypt.August 3, 2026 at 11:00 pm #265158Thomas_More
Participant” So, the god of Israel told Joseph to take Jesus to Egypt, a place populated by African peoples. How was a white Jesus able to hide himself within a black population? Based on the narrative, Joseph, Mary and Jesus had to be black.”
Who said Jesus was white? He would have been a semite, like other Jews of the time. The population of Egypt wasn’t all black by that time. It was ruled by the Greek Ptolemy dynasty and was cosmopolitan.
August 3, 2026 at 11:03 pm #265159Thomas_More
ParticipantWho said Moses was white? Who said the Hebrews were white? They weren’t black either.
August 3, 2026 at 11:05 pm #265160Thomas_More
ParticipantIn the supposed time given for Moses, Egypt ruled Palestine, Lebanon and Syria.
August 3, 2026 at 11:10 pm #265161Thomas_More
ParticipantIn the time of the Caesars the Jews and other people of the middle east were not black Africans. At one time long, long before, maybe.
The Romans had no concept of black and white. They didn’t think in this centuries-later European colonial way. The Romans enslaved people equally.
August 3, 2026 at 11:16 pm #265162Thomas_More
ParticipantOne does no service to historical materialism by being confused about historical eras and making wide erroneous statements, which make a reader think we are anhistoricist conspiraloons.
Africanism can be as erroneous as Eurocentrism. Knowledge of history brings a correct perspective.
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August 3, 2026 at 11:28 pm #265164Thomas_More
Participant“I don’t care about dates.”
But dates are important, which is possibly why you are floating between vastly different centuries.
If Engels is wrong about the book of Revelation’s date, then he is wrong about Nero and the nonexistent Neronian persecution.
At least he would have told you that the Roman proletariat was not a working class. So would Kautsky.
Marxians’ desire to view the early Christians as political forebears is also highly dubious. One would also have to include other Jewish resistance groups of the time. Do we really want to?
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August 4, 2026 at 12:37 am #265166Ciudadano Del Mundo
ParticipantIt looks like you have never been inside a church or a cathedral. As a friend of mine said, it is very difficult to see a Chinese saint; all saints are Italians, French or Spanish. They painted Guadulpe as a brown Virgin to gain the support of the Mexican natives, and Saint Martin de Porres, who obtained the support of the black slaves, and he wanted to sell himself as a slave to accumulate money for the church. All devils are black, and all angels are white; all colors peoples are blacks but black is not a colour; it is the absence of colour, and white is a colour. The black hand, but the mafia is from Italy, and the extortionists were from Serbia. I grew up with Jesuits, LaSalle Brothers, and Salesians, and what is said below was their teaching
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August 4, 2026 at 12:57 am #265168Ciudadano Del Mundo
ParticipantThere was a Bible for the slaves in the USA and the Caribbean islands.
The whole Bible has 7500 interpolations
Santeria was created in Cuba because the slaves were not allowed to go inside the church, and they were considered to be the devil. The Santeria priests applied all catholics saint and rituals to their religion. It is a mix of Yoruba African religion and Roman Catholic religion.
Voodoo is a combination of African religion with catholic rituals. President Aristides tried to turn it into the national official religion ( he was a Jesuit), and the Vatican became part of the USA coup against his government. In all churches in Haiti, Jesus is a white god. The teaching of the missionaries was that the slave must obey his/her master
August 4, 2026 at 1:07 am #265169Ciudadano Del Mundo
ParticipantThe Tainos had brown skin, and their gods had differents colors, and the missionaries imposed on them a white god
The Taíno religion was a polytheistic belief system centred on the worship of spirits called zemis, the supreme mother goddess Atabey, and her son Yúcahu.
Atabey: The supreme mother goddess associated with the moon, fresh waters, fertility, and childbirth.
Yúcahu (Yucahú Bagua): Atabey’s son and the primary male deity who watched over the sky and blessed the vital cassava crops.
Guabancex: The volatile female deity of destructive storms and hurricanes (juracan).Opiyelguobiran:
The sacred dog spirit who guarded and guided the souls of the dead
Zemiss: Carved physical figures made from wood, stone, bone, or shell that served as conduits and resting places for spiritual power rather than mere idols.Areitos: Large community festivals featuring traditional singing, storytelling, and sacred dancing to give thanks or petition the spirits.
Cohoba Rituals:
Sacred ceremonies where priests, known as behikes or bohikes, inhaled hallucinogenic powders through ornate tubes to communicate directly with the zemis for guidance and healing.Caciques: Hereditary chiefs who worked alongside the priests to direct political and ceremonial life within their villages.
August 4, 2026 at 1:14 am #265170Thomas_More
ParticipantAgain, which period are we in? I thought we were discussing the origins of Christianity, not the age of colonialism, Atlantic slavery, etc? You are floating everywhere.
Have you ever been in a Coptic, Ethiopian, Nestorian, or Orthodox church? Have you lived in mountain monasteries?
You will see lots of Chinese Nestorian saints from before Marco Polo and lots of black saints in Ethiopia. Did you know there were black Nubian crusading knights during the Crusades, some of whom are saints? They fought as equals with the Latins of England and France.
I am sure you know a lot about the Caribbean and South America and about Spanish Catholic colonialism. But that is a thousand years or 1,500 years later than the era I thought this was about. The Roman Catholic Church didn’t exist until 1054, and Christianity was already nearly a thousand years old by then.
August 4, 2026 at 1:17 am #265171Thomas_More
ParticipantBut thank you for the details of religious beliefs and practices.
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