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MattWithout trying to go all Paxman on you, you stated that "My comment stands. There was never any objection to the 'branch' having a designated Twitter feed." Yet the report by the IC to the EC shows that the IC clearly objected to the branch's twitter feed. So your original statement of there never having been an objction cannot be correct, as I have quoted from the report raising the objection.The Cambridge Dictionary definition of never is:"not at any time or not on any occasion" do you still stick to your statement that there was never (i.e. not at any time or on any occasion) any objection to the branch having a twitter feed?YFSTim

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SocialistPunk wrote:

Tim Kilgallon wrote:

I am aware that you have probably not seen that report, it has taken our branch a while to get hold of it.YFSTim

Tim,You seem to suggest that some kind of delay was taking place, yet when Steve contacted HO a paper copy was sent to him in reasonable time.

Hi SPSorry that wan't my intention, just making the point that within the party there can be understandable delays in getting all information out. No slur intended on anyone.Tim

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Matt wrote:

My comment stands. There was never any objection to the 'branch' having a designated Twitter feed. 

Hi MattSorry to contradict you but the following is an extract from the report by the Internet Committee, to the EC re the ongoing dispute about Twitter etc. and is dated 26-03-16"whether or not that account is being operated with the consent or NERB as a whole we urge the EC to take urgent action to enforce Rule 11. As a last resort the IC could file another brand impersonation dispute with Twitter"I am aware that you have probably not seen that report, it has taken our branch a while to get hold of it.YFSTim

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jondwhite wrote:

Sky launch 'The Pledge', reported by the Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/apr/06/sky-news-to-launch-question-time-rival-the-pledge) as 'a rival to BBC Question Time'Episode 1 is herehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZOx54cSr34

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Chosen for their strong views and range of experiences, a pool of nine high-profile panellists – Emma Barnett, James Caan, Michelle Dewberry, Greg Dyke, Nick Ferrari, Rachel Johnson, Graeme Le Saux, Michelle Mone and June Sarpong – have each made a pledge: to talk straight and tell it like it really is. And, in the absence of a presenter or moderator, there will be nothing to hold them back.

https://corporate.sky.com/media-centre/news-page/2016/sky-news-to-launch-new-discussion-show—the-pledge

Sounds twatful

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alanjjohnstone wrote:

Whatever happened to Richard Cummings, BTW? Does anybody know?

He's rumoured to have converted to Anglicanism

Actually, it's worse. He's actually become an Anglican priest, joining two other ex-members, the Rev Toby Crowe and the Rev Andrew Wilkes. If we are to be an Anglican seminary who's next? Mind you, as churches go, that's the best as in it anything goes and you don't even have to believe in god. The Rev Wilkes voted for us in the 2014 European elections and actually applied to rejoin (hope Robbo isn't following this thread).

We did get one back the other way, the Late Comrade Kevin Lennon, used to relate how he left a catholic seminary when he was on the verge of taking holy orders after he had come into contact with the party and joined us soon afterwards,

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Young Master Smeet wrote:

 This may not happen instantly, because we are a small organisation with few volunteers (and comrades should remember this when expectign standards of bureaucracy comparable to a government department).

You obviously have not had much to do with Central or Local Government Bureacracy, we are far more efficent and timely than most Local and central Government Departments that I have had to work with or be part of!

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I remember the debate very well, and some of the silly arguments that were brought up to support the actions of those members who became Socialist Studies. To be honest, as a member of a regional branch, I took the view at the time that the underlying issues were about matters other than the party name and that whilst acknowledging that there were real issues of party democracy at stake, there were also personality clashes and what you might call generational differences, which came into play. As these centred mainly around the London branches and members, it was difficult, being a provincial branch member to fully get a handle on some of the subtleties.

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jondwhite wrote:

Feel free to speak with them, but they I don't believe they are interested in returning.

Not being in London I wasn't sure what their attitude was/is. I did meet some of their number in the 80s and 90s before they left, Obviously Harry Young and Hardy are no longer alive, I would have thought the others I met at around that time must be clocking on a bit. Can't say that they were the most friendly or welcoming bunch and I am aware of the reasons for them going, however……………

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alanjjohnstone wrote:

I note the demonstration is claiming over 100,000 took place. But looking at the pictures and at the banners and placards and seeing who the speakers were, it was more a pro-Labour Party protest. Perhaps you saw it from another perspective being there. .I know members are very busy elsewhere with the GLA election campaign and street stalls so I was pleased that they made that extra effort, ALBFor sure, for the moment, the Left shuns our message but does that mean it shouldn’t be delivered? And our task is to find and explore new methods of explaining our case and communicating it – even to a mostly unreceptive audience but one in other ways are in search of answers…and believe they have them in Corbyn (and Sanders).As I have said before, we cannot keep doing the same or calling for more of the same. I have suggested a special conference to review and re-evaluate everything. Socialist Studies call themselves the re-constituted SPGB, I suggest it is time now that we ourselves re-constitute. I’m not saying we should emulate ever fad or fashion in politics but address fully why we have not succeeded in accomplishing our objective or even getting anyway closer towards it. A much needed introspection is fundamental to understanding the failure.As Einstein said “"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

if you look at the history of the party, we have done the same thing with varying results over the years, the party in 1950 was developing substantially. In the 1980s we had some remarkable progress using the same old tried methods of public debate, meetings etc. I am of the view that the public mood has gone back to live events. Public meetings, debates, etc. can capture public interest.these days, because they are differemt However I think it is a mistake to think there is one universal propaganda strategy,different strokes for different folks

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gnome wrote:

Why do some members insist on giving this three men and a dog outfit the oxygen of publicity?The individuals who remain in 'Socialist' Studies were among those expelled from the SPGB in 1991. They ceased to be socialists when they renounced, on several occasions, the democratic will of a majority of party members. Socialism and democracy are inseparable.This thumb-nosing at democracy continued with the formation of 'Socialist' Studies. As one ex-member of 'Socialist' Studies observed:

R.Cumming speaking in 2004 wrote:

We need democratic practice in this Party. The affiliation of the Ukraine group to the Party involved 9 members at a JBM voting in favour. What about the other 20-30 who didn't attend this Branch meeting? You cannot reply that they abstained, for there were only 9 members present, and there have been no voting forms sent out.It is the same with this farce over the post of General Secretary. Cyril May died on the 15th of October 2003. There have been no elections to this post since then. It has been 4 months, and we still have an Acting General Secretary who was either elected undemocratically or was self-appointed.I have not been asked to vote on anything since I joined the Party on 16th June 2002. This is almost two years. The 1905 Rule Book of the Party makes it clear that the post of General Secretary is elected every year. What has happened to this? You have decided we don't need a rulebook!I contend we do need a rulebook, and I would be well within my rights to deny the very existence of this organisation on the basis that it has no rulebook.I suggest, that elections of the various officers of the Party take place as soon as possible. This should be prioritised. Forget printing Socialist Studies. Forget your lecture list. Forget it all until you actually set up some kind of democratic apparatus.For this purpose, it is necessary that a special conference of all members be convened. All members of the Party should be encouraged and even helped (financially) to attend if necessary. At this Conference, those present should decide the organisational form the Party is going to have.So there you go, comrades, you have your requests. Democratic practice is one of the most important aspects of a socialist political organisation. I am trying to give you a chance to get rid of the ANARCHIST nonsense of `we rule by consensus', and to establish a proper socialist party based on democratically agreed principles, policy and rules.

Whilst accepting that previous practice and the undemocratic attitude of some members of Socialist Studies is an issue, and I can remember the way that some associated with that group behaved at conferences and within the party, there are others who before and after have left the party, behaved in an anti-socialist manner and then were welcomed back, those with a long enough vintage will know who I mean. In addition to this we currently have a situation where the Internet Committee of this Party have compiled a report (and the issues contained in the report are irrelevant as far as I am concerned) which they appear to be reluctant to let all party members have access to, who then are we to criticise them for lack of transparency?

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Is it just me, but considering we have postings about various movements and how we should reach out to them, is it not time that two organisations who both hold to the D of P looked for some kind of common ground. It's not like both organisations are bursting at the seams

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moderator1 wrote:

lindanesocialist wrote:

The document should be available from a request from any member of the public. The IC are in contevention yet again, of our basic priciples. Vin has been refused a copy by the Internet Committee

The IC are a sub-committee of the EC and as such we have to abide by our Terms of Reference which stipulate we report to the EC.  With the report now in the hands of the EC its down to them to consider all requests for it to be released to the public domain – not the IC.

At what point did this party start having secret reports, meetings etc? If this report is discussed as part of the EC meeting its contents as a matter of principle should be available to all members of the party to scrutinise and then make judgments as to whether the EC have acted accordingly. The IC terms of reference do stipulate that the IC report to the EC, they do NOT however, as far as I can see stipulate that any such report should only be made available to the party at large on the say so of the EC. If Mod 1 can quote me chapter and verse from the Terms of Reference that states that this is so I would be very happy to see it.

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alanjjohnstone wrote:

From friends' accounts the dirtiest players were either police or prison officers teams.

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I would prefer an evening in the local with a few pints, some rum chasers a couple of meat pies and a game of darts. Each to their own

In general, food production will be a social decision, not personal choice.Your beer will be from a local micro brewery, your rum locally made moonshine and your meat pies will be from some sort of slaughtered animal reared locally on a small-scale rather than produced on some industrialised livestock farm and then processed in a meat-processing factory. Of course, we are as socialists judgmental, Tim. It is an attribute we acquire as socialists, it comes with the territory…to look at society and be critical of it and propose improvements to it. Okay in capitalism that for you is acceptable but now you question its validity within socialist society, that people will not continue to be critical of our cultures and will not continue to advocate for it to adapt and evolve for the better. Here in Thailand there is a version of keepy-uppy. Acrobatic skills with a ball that you rarely see in football these days https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepak_takraw

Quite funny that you say that production will be a social decision not a personal choice and then list what appears to be your personal choice for micro brewery ale, hooch and artisan pies. I hadn't realised that you had been tasked with writing the blueprint for Socialism, I must have missed that conference report. As I said earlier it is interesting how those who demand that we should be free to go back to small scale artisan production don't seem to be able to conceive that in a socialist society with DEMOCRATIC PRODUCTION it is conceivable that the majority may prefer mass produced food stuffs and keg fizz!In terms of being judgmental, I think you confuse making judgments and having an analytical approach to being judge mental in the sense of having an opinion on the behaviour and choices of others that are not in accordance with your own. As an example, and this may appall you, I would much rather see a hard crunching but fair, Dave Mackay style tackle than a game of keepie up.

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Nothing on my computer Linda, that doesn't mean to say that it isnt something on the forum

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what is the nature of the virus Linda?

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