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To Be honest, in looks and accent (but not content) I thought Hardy was the spitting double of Professor Stanley Unwin
I wouldn’t worry too much about SPEW, from what I’ve heard they are leaching members to the newly fashionable RCP (I’m sure I’ve come across that name before, somewhere).
I would guess that pretty soon SPEW will have gone the same way as:
Communist League (UK, 1932)
Communist League (UK, 1990)
International Socialist Group
International Socialist Group (Scotland)
League for Socialist Action (UK)
Left Fraction
Leninist League (UK)
Marxist Group (UK)
Marxist Party
Militant Group
Permanent Revolution (group)
Revolutionary Communist League (UK)
Revolutionary Socialist League (UK, 1938)
Revolutionary Socialist League (UK, 1956)
Revolutionary Socialist Party (UK)
Revolutionary Workers’ Party (Trotskyist)
Scottish Militant Labour
Socialist Alternatives
Socialist Democracy Group
Socialist Labour Group
Socialist Solidarity Network
Socialist Unity (UK)
Workers League (UK)
Workers’ International League (1937)
Workers’ International League (1985)
Workers’ Internationalist League
Workers’ Power (UK)
Workers’ Socialist LeagueChelmsford – “ME sounds something like neurasthenia which was fashionable from the middle of the 19th century until the late Edwardian period.”
Not like you, Chelmsford, to come up with a crass, ill informed comment, displaying a complete lack of understanding and empathy.
It might not have occurred to our from our correspondent from the paleogenic period that members of the working class (and sometimes not even women!) may have experienced similar symptoms but not have been reported as no one gave a stuff about them and that they were left to wither and die unacknowledged.
Relying on those world renowned physicians Lenin and Nietzsche might have been a bit of a mistake, methinks.
Back in a world which has moved on from anaglypta, wood chip and chicken in a basket, researchers at Oxford University have developed a blood test which can distinguished between healthy individuals, disease controls, and ME/CFS patients with a 91 percent accuracy. The test was so sensitive it was even able to differentiate between mild, moderate, and severe ME/CFS patients.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/advs.202302146
But hey Chelmsford, lets not rely on made up stuff like science, eh?
Rodshaw, I hope your daughter gets some degree of relief, my sister had 10 years of being told her pain was psychosomatic until they finally found out she had Trigeminal neuralgia and my partner was also told that her long term pain was in her head until her doctors finally believed her and found out she had rheumatoid arthritis
Had a little chat with one of the SPEW stall holders outside my workplace earlier this week. It was unnerving just how little capacity for critical thinking some of the trots have.
He was a fairly young lad but had been in SPEW for five years and was telling me that the demands from his party were realistic. The particular theme that day was student grants not loans and other student sops to attract students, as well as the usual list of nationalisation and higher taxes on the rich. He called them “stepping stones towards Socialism”.
When asked if he knew that even the leaders of his group knew the demands couldn’t be achieved and that these demands were put in place deliberately to demonstrate to the workers who support these demands capitalism can’t meet their desired outcome, this turning them into revolutionaries, he seemed genuinely non plussed. He went off to talk to the top banana who was accompanying him to check out what I said was true!
Looks like only the top echelons of SPEW are privy to the truth about the famous Trotskyist alchemy routine.
“In any event, this is the worst Labour government that there has ever been. And from day one.”
Not so sure about that, it’s a pretty high bar to get over
Wonder if this means that “The Collective” are using entryism to get control of TUSC and Spew, or are TUSC and Spew using entryism to get control of “The Collective”.
Who ever enters who, no doubt both parties will be intent on shafting each other.
I predicted a Labour split before the election.
Clearly John McDonnell, Apsana Begum, Richard Burgon, Ian Byrne and Zarah Sultana, have no future in a Starmerist Party.
What choice do they have other than forming a Party of their own. Add others like ex Mayor Jamie Driscoll, Jeremy Corbyn and a few others, you probably have a similar situation to when the ILP disaffiliated from Labour in 1931.
If they don’t form a party, any hope of remaining on the reformist gravy train will be over. (It’s not likely that they will survive the next election, but a chance in a hundred is better than not having a ticket in the lottery)
No doubt they will pick up a few groups of avaricious Trotskyist who will pick over the bones hoping for tasty morsels from the few idealist who get swept away with any enthusiasm this creates.
No doubt the same Trotskyist demagogues will morph into the next generation of Labourist apologists, just like Starmer.
Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose!
“ Obviously the stool-pigeon was one of Coleman’s many admirers from the Islington Branch”
An open meeting with Labour Party members present and you come to the conclusion that it is “obvious” that the Special Branch source was from Islington Branch?
Perhaps it’s just that you’re envious of the fact that as a speaker Coleman was head and shoulders above the self appointed guardians of the truth from the then Camden and North West London branches (I’ll exempt Hardy from that criticism). Given the choice of listening to Jim D’Arcy speaking or a paper cut on my bell end, it would be the paper cut every time!
I’ve got a feeling that all of these arrests and prison sentences may well erode Wetherspoons’ customer base quite significantly.
Not sure that the title of this article “working class riots” is particularly helpful, when have we seen capitalist class riots? Don’t think the pampered offspring of the 1% will be much use in a full blown drunken brawl.
Also describing the riots as “A few hundred men” doesn’t appear accurate either. It’s not what some feminist theory would describe as a “gendered issue”, as the recent court proceedings clearly show.
“Wez, have you looked at some of Stanley Milgram’s work. Not a perfect explanation to be sure, but a little more credible than penis envy.”
twc, please note I didn’t say I agreed with it, just that it was more credible than penis envy!
If anyone is interested in similar ideas, Zimbardo’s Stamford Prison Experiment and the similar studies done later in the UK and in Germany give food for thought about authoritarianism. Don’t personally agree with Zimbardo’s take on his findings and the alternative interpretation by Erich Fromm is quite interesting, pointing out that the majority of the prison officer students did not join in the abusive processes, although they did not intervene. The holocaust was perpetrated by a small minority of the population, however the majority and especially those who knew, did not intervene.
It’s a bit like the scandals in the Police, TV, showbiz recently. Other officers have known that some of the other police have been sexual predators, but didn’t do anything about it.
On a personal level I do think there is an important issue about the self selection of those who end up in authoritarian positions, whether that is being a concentration camp guard, a police officer or perhaps even leader of a Trotskyist/Leninist splinter party. It is similar to sexual abusers. As well as grooming the children/vulnerable adults, these people are very good at grooming organisations and intimidating those who have any chance to do something about it.
Going back to my earlier postings, there are clear links between psychopathy and insecure attachment and early years trauma.
Here’s a couple of studies:
https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/55765296.pdf
Interestingly both Stalin and Hitler had very abuse early years experiences, looking through the biographies of some of the well known names from the holocaust, many also experienced disrupted and abusive relationships. This kind of mirrors Bowlby’s original study “44 thieves”.
I’m not saying it is an explanation, but it offers some insight.
Another author I have always found quite interesting is Erving Goffman, especially his concepts of Total Institutions.
Wez, have you looked at some of Stanley Milgram’s work. Not a perfect explanation to be sure, but a little more credible than penis envy.
So I’ve answered your question can you answer my question, do you believe that all of that semi mystical guff about Oedipus complexes, castration anxiety, boys being sexually possessive of their mothers and that infants are sexually excited and develop libidinous drives about passing a turd?
Straight yes or no would suffice
L Bird “They’re all politically, philosophically, ideologically and methodologically, opposed to democracy!”
You might say that, but has there been a vote to confirm your theory?
Wez Stated “There are no grounds for dismissing a theory because its originators were Victorian gents“. I have never said that there were grounds for dismissing Feud’s work because he was a Victorian Gent at any point. So your point is irrelevant
“indeed in terms of the origins of the holocaust Freud’s work with Austrian petite bourgeois patients can be very helpful”
That is just a statement of opinion, to justify that you need to provide some evidence to show this. To date you have provided none.
It is also notable that you praise the work of Marx and Darwin for their universality thus admitting that sometimes one size does, in fact, fit all
No I didn’t, I praised the scope and breadth of their investigations. As opposed to the extremely narrow study material that Freud used (a small group of bourgeois children some of whom were very possible victims of child sexual abuse). My criticism is not of universalist theories, but the wild and wacky universalist conclusions Freud made from such a small and clearly culturally and economically biased sample group.
So in the vain hope that you would actually provide a straight answer to a straight question, do you believe that all male children fear emasculation in their early childhoods, do all female children experience penis envy, do all male children fall in love with their mother and wish to kill their father to gain sexual experiences with their mother, and that do all female children experience a similar “libidinal” experience with their fathers? Indeed do you think that through the mouth all infants makes contact with the first object of libido (sexual energy), the mother’s breast?
This is important because you go on to say that:
I think it self evident, especially to parents, that the child/parent relationship can often be a battle ground (especially in a capitalist cultural context).
Which interestingly makes use of pure assertion again (I think it is self evident) and interestingly makes you move your ground from the universalist idea that all childhood relationships are paradoxical to them being often a battleground.
Whilst agreeing that parenting can be difficult and being a child can be difficult and sometimes boundaries are hard to maintain or accept, I find it baffling that a grown up would still consider any theory which uses Greek Mythology to explain this in terms of an ongoing libidinal struggle between children and their parents. As far as I can see you would be just as well served as constructing a theory about child development based on the Lord of the Rings, at least it is a bit more realistic than the guff Freud dreamed up.
