Young Master Smeet
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I'm glad Marx and Engels have feet of clay, it helps discourage hero worship. That Engels and Marx has useful things to say has been true for as long as all Yorkshiremen are liars.
Or, "The EU with serial numbers filed off"Paul Mason now calling for commitment to join EEA:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/27/global-order-britain-survive-eu-alternative-economic-model?CMP=twt_guImagine if we went through all this, to go nowhere. the real damage is to democracy, with lots of hurt and upset people I know now blaming the ignorant masses, and people all over the shop saying 'the politicians needed to sort this out' — they're the ones who buggered it up.
Hmmm,http://www.ilivehere.co.uk/statistics-ebbw-vale-blaenau-gwent-12053.html
Quote:The rate of unemployment in Ebbw Vale is both higher than the average for and higher than the national average, suggesting that finding a job in this area maybe hard. The rate of claiming any benefit (which includes in work benefits) is more than 25% higher in Ebbw Vale than the national average, suggesting that many people maybe under employed or on a low salary.(my emphasis)http://www.blaenau-gwent.gov.uk/council/170.asp
Quote:Of the 30,416 households in Blaenau Gwent, 6.8% are comprised of no employed adults and with dependent children; this is the highest level in Wales. A further 36.9% are made up of no adults in employment but without dependent children. [census 2011]Approaching one third (29%) of people in Blaenau Gwent have no access to a car or van (inc. company car available for personal use) – this is 3rd highest in Wales. [census 2011] (my emphasis) • The number of households without access to cars and vans fell in Blaenau Gwent from 35% of all households in 2001 to 29% in 2011. [census 2011]If Ebbw Vale is gettign lots of EU cash, that is because it is already deprived, but if people aren't feeling the benefit, maybe the cash is misdirected. Look at Cardiff, Bristol, Liverpool, Newcastle, they voted to remain, and those areas are doing well.You can, i'm afraid, see the pvoerty in South Wales, when you go beyond the bay. You can see it in teesside (16% unemployment, and months of blaming the EU for Redcar closing). Maybe they understand better than we do that they're not benefitting, certainly, when I talk to folk back north that is the feeling. Blairism lost those workers to UKIP, and it's hard to get them back. Maybe outside the EU, finally free to nationalise, and if he survives, Corbvyn can offer them a better deal, but I doubt it.
stuartw2112 wrote:See, you're not even able to recognise that at a time like this all your pish about "leaders" and the self directed activity of the masses is worthless shit, pathetic masturbation. The masses haven't made themselves worthy of a pay rise – how can they be worthy of self-emancipation!What the working class have said is that their votes are for sale. The areas that resoundingly voted for against the EU are those that are not benmefitting, at all, and for whom it means nothing. If the capitalist class want to be in their free trade area, they are going to have to buy those areas off.The working class aren't thick, they voted their interest. South Wales, Birmingham, Sheffield, Middlesbrough: there's a theme emerging.
DJP wrote:They've yet to invoke article 50. For this to happen, an act of Parliament will have to be passed. However, the vast majority of Parliament are in favour of "stay". The great charade is only just beginning.No Act required, and it's debatable if a resolution is even required, but it is likely (and a government would be unlikely to want to move by executive fiat alone), but they could.
alanjjohnstone wrote:YMS has suggested Rule 25 online conference. Yet once more, i am suggesting that we subject the party as a whole to an extensive MOT, and the EU vote is just one aspect and topic of what we need to do to re-fashion our image and re-mold the Party's approach to politics.No, I've suggested a party meeting, not a conference.
ALB wrote:If I dare stick my neck out again, I still say that the outcome in 2020 is going to be like Norway, i.e not in the EU but with continued access to the single market in return for a payment to Brussels and acceptance of the principle of the free movement of workers looking for jobs.It'll be Norway like (maybe even bloc with orway and Switzeraldn?) My bet is it'll be the EU with the serial numbers filed off.
Well, the Earth is still going round the sun. There's still a bunch of damp and mossy islands in the Eastern Atlantic, and we still work for the people who own them.
So, tomorrow is christmas for anoraks, I can hardly wait, either way, there'll be an interesting result, oodles and oodles of data to crunch, and big constitutional questiopns to examine and argue about till we're mauve in the face.
For some bizarre reason, leave are trying to drag Elizabeth Windsor into the argument. Two papers today lead on her being a secret Eurosceptic, and:https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/745531956125827074Surely, that's a core vote shore-up-your-base line? They must think they've lost, but want to continue the argument later.
And thus dies the 'mental illness' alibi in the media:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36567005
Quote:Thomas Mair told Westminster Magistrates' Court, "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain", when asked to confirm his name.Will any Fash have the courage of their convictions to call this man a hero?
Well, but they would see us as undifferentiated from the "Reds" as distinct from the Converatives or Liberals, they may be establishment but we're the enemy, and to the extent that however misguided we feel the Labour Party is, we're both part of the same worker's movement, this is an attack on us too.
Erm, I dunno how I can rephrase what seems a perfectly clear comment: he would be as likely to kill one of ours as he would one of Labour's.
Interestingly, I was just at a work event where the CEO of a big company was giving us his take, and it was based largely around uncertainty, and also wanting to have a chance to tender for business in Europe 9and apparently American business is a bit worried as well).P.s. we're not abstaining, we're campaigning against both outcomes.
