Young Master Smeet
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ModeratorAlan, I’ve often wondered that, and some right-wing attack dogs use that point to claim anti-semitism motivates the interest. I think though:
1: Muslim solidarity.
2: The view that Israel is a colonial settler state.
3: The geostrategic interests of the British and American ruling class.
4: Anti-Zionist Jews in the Labour movement[*]
5: The direct relationship between Israel and Western Powers means that activists here and in the US have a chance of actually effecting change.
6: The historical involvement of Britain and the US.Are the basic reasons for prominence. For good or ill.
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[*] Many years ago I was at a Labour party meeting where members identifying as Jewish viciously tore lumps out of each other over Israel. Essentially a family row, and I think part of the issue is that some Labour members feel they were entitled to join in in the same vein.Young Master Smeet
ModeratorNot finished listening yet, but this podcast and the original essay it’s based on is interesting:
https://cosmonautmag.com/2021/03/class-and-race-in-israel-palestine-with-emmanuel-farjoun/
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ModeratorI think the Austro-Marxist are supposed to have looked into similar questions. I’ve not found the direct material before, but this seems to be a key work by Otto Bauer
Austria is to be transformed into a democratic federative state of
nationalities.
2. In place of the historical crown lands, nationally defined self-governing
bodies are to be constituted whose legislation and administration is
attended to by national chambers elected on the basis of universal,
equal, and direct suffrage.
3. All the self-governing territories of one and the same nation are together to constitute a nationally uniform association, that attends to
its national affairs with complete autonomy.
4. The national minorities within each self-governing territory are to be
constituted as corporations under public law, which, with complete
autonomy, provide for the education system of the national minority
and which grant legal assistance to the members of their people in
their dealings with the authorities and the courtsAnd this statement:
But at the same time, socialist society will also implement the international division of labor; it will thus also link the independent national polity to
numerous international administrative communities that will ultimately become organs of the community of international law constituted as a corporation. It will thus gradually integrate the national polities as autonomous
members into a great international polity of a new type. The unification of all
of civilized humanity in the common task of mastering nature and the division of humanity into autonomous national polities that enjoy their own
national cultural wealth and that consciously control the development of their
national culture is the ultimate goal of the international Social Democratic
movement.Young Master Smeet
ModeratorPaul Rogers has a good account of the situation
Israel is the most powerful state in the Middle East. Its military forces may not match the likes of Egypt or Turkey in numbers, but the might of its training, equipment, technologies and nuclear weapons make it unassailable. Given its long-developed capabilities in public order control, such a position should also apply to its control of radical dissent within its own borders, as well as in the Occupied Palestinian Territories.
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On the surface, Israel still appears secure but for all its military power, this is far from true. It may seem impregnable but remains fundamentally insecure. Perhaps the current conflict will ease, possibly due to late pressure from Biden, but whether or not it does, the one key event of recent weeks is the incursion of the Israeli forces into al-Aqsa Mosque. That will have a far deeper and more longer-lasting effect than associates of Netanyahu realise.
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ModeratorPro-Israelis refer to the single state solution as ‘the destruction of Israel.’ There is a legitimate concern, Sri Lanka or India style that the majority population would dominate. That said, so long as states exist, the only solution is either a de jure single state with is de facto two states (Belgium style) or de jure two states which are de facto one state (EU style). Israel seems to be opting for a single state without any rights for the Palestineans. Which for me does suggest that a campaign for civic rights is the strongest.
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ModeratorWell, given the Tories got roughly the number of votes they got in 2017 and won by a good margin, I think this isn’t covid bounce, I’ve seen it described as a voter strike, which I think is fair enough.
Hartlepool must feel deeply abandoned, and the machinations of the Labour machine really did not help.
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ModeratorAccording to Wikipedia: “Slaughter and Banda’s group at first called itself the Workers Revolutionary Party (Workers Press). However, Banda soon left the group and repudiated Trotskyism. The international supporters of the group decided to call themselves the Workers International to Rebuild the Fourth International (WIRFI), and published both the Workers Press and the International journal. In the 1990s the members of a sub-group within WIRFI influenced by Slaughter decided that the creation of an elite vanguard party was not the way to build towards socialism.”
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ModeratorWell, there goes trial by jury…
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ModeratorThe splendid manifesto of Count Binface:
https://twitter.com/CountBinface/status/1384868302019829766Young Master Smeet
ModeratorCorbyn also has Heiko Khoo, of speakers corner fame, on his list… latter day Grantite.
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ModeratorSo, I know, it’s someone being mean on the internet, but the substantive point is that there was a time when currency was refused for taxation, and still existed (and that metallic value drove the nominal value).
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ModeratorYes, the trick is the process is the punishment…
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ModeratorSo, watching Sturgeon’s performance, I think the cock-up theory of history applies, serious allegations were made, officialdom cocked up, and of course, the big question, why would she want to get Salmond? I think this will fizzle out, they didn’t find a smoking gun.
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ModeratorOf course, some of this was covered in the Scrocialist Standard:
There are mysteries around his rise, that some seem to hint secret state involvement, but I think that’s unlikely, but he was certainly very well connected for a man who never really did anything but invest other people’s money…
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ModeratorSome of the debt is owned by the Bank of England, so in a sense the government owes itself money. In theory, this debt could be simply written off, but that would harm confidence in the pound, as it would be effectively the government printing money to pay off it’s debts). A lot of the debt is owned by banks, and while the government can dictate to a certain extent the price of that debt, in the end, these are private institutions that could choose simply not to buy government debt. Some debt is held overseas, and that helps with maintaining the value of the pound, and enables international trade.
A principle function of the national debt is to discipline government, since the state could simply operate through taxation entirely, i.e. simply seizing whatever wealth it needs, if it comes to rely on debt, it has to behave in a way that keeps creditors nice. It is a tool of class control of the state.
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