Jerusalem Again

June 2021 Forums General discussion Jerusalem Again

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    alanjjohnstone
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    Once again we see the Israeli-Palestinian conflict flare up and once more i have noticed the skewed use of language by the media.

    The terms ethnic cleansing of East Jerusalem and the apartheid inequality before Israeli law of Palestinian residents is never used by the news outlets.

    Israeli air attacks were in retaliation and a response to Palestinian rockets. Not that the Palestinians were reacting to the initial Israel aggression of police violence in Jerusalem with rockets.

    But this is typical of the media dis-information.

    One thing that the media so frequently charges is that it is the Palestinians who are the stubborn obstacle to peace. They are totally silent on the 2001 Taba talks

    “We made progress, substantial progress. We are closer than ever to the possibility of striking a final deal,” said Shlomo Ben-Ami, Israel’s negotiator. Saeb Erekat, Palestinian chief negotiator, said, “My heart aches because I know we were so close. We need six more weeks to conclude the drafting of the agreement.”

    It was a new Israeli government which walked away from the negotiating table, refusing to continue the peace talks because they were being fruitful.

    But yet the Israeli propaganda message continues to prevail blaming the Palestinians for a refusal to negotiate.

    Hamas has offered Israel a peace deal which while not formally recognising Israel does so in practice, agreeing to accept the 1967 borders and they stated so in their 2017 Charter. Hamas has advocated a Islamic form of a long-term and renewable armistice, the hudna.

    Israel has rebuffed Hamas and will not enter any into any direct discussions with them.

    It is Israel who put up the hurdles to meaningful peace talks but not if you believe the media news outlets.

    Israel is winning the propaganda media war by depicting Palestinians as “extremists”.

    We see the same diplomacy tactic playing out against Iran. Who possesses the nuclear weapons – certainly not Iran but they are considered the nuclear threat and America and Europe make no demand for Israel to disarm its nukes, not even seeking access to inspect and monitor them by the IAEA which Iran was fully cooperative in doing.

    I’m a pessimist. Despite hopeful signs from the experience of Northern Ireland and South Africa, i simply cannot envisage the majority of Israelis, becoming more entrenched in their siege-mentality, of making the compromises necessary for a permanent peace. We can expect either two outcomes. Recurring protests and continual Israel oppression. Or simply the Palestinians becoming a “non-people” like the Roma were and “disappearing”.

    #217801

    What is the difference between Israel and the German Nazis?

    #217804
    alanjjohnstone
    Participant

    I’m not an advocate of violence and i despair when Palestinian groups resort to it.

    They have no military answer to match Israel’s power and the result of their inept rockets merely invites a much more deadly counter-attack from the IDF.

    Perhaps that is the reason, the creation of innocent victims – martyrdom or sacrificial lambs – to boost Hamas.

    When i have criticised such strategy i have been told it is up to the Palestinians to choose their own tactics and not for me to do so. I refuse to accept that.

    An article in the Standard said:

    “What happens to the workers anywhere is the business of socialists everywhere. We are not at all afraid of the charge that we are “poking our noses” into matters that do not concern us”

    I don’t offer unconditional solidarity despite my sympathy for oppressed fellow-workers resisting repression.

    #217808

    This situation in Gaza has been taking place since the first day that the Palestinians were removed from their land. This is not new. It looks that they came from an egg, they are oviparous

    #217811
    james19
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    We need to argue that a Palestinian state will not benefit the Palestinian workers….just as a British state does not benefit British workers….obviously not when bombs are being dropped by Israelis on innocent men, women and children. Any article links to hand? Many thanks YFS

    I posted this after seeing TT resident ML.

    Workers have no Country. We have more in common with each other than the Capitalist class masters, whatever their religion. We have a world to win!

    https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMegGHN3o/

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    #217813
    alanjjohnstone
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    Israel has declared a state of emergency in Lod after rioting by Israeli Arabs. This was the first time the government had used emergency powers over its Arab community since 1966.

    Is this a sign that non-Jewish Israelis now seek their civil rights and equality and are aligning with their fellow Palestinians of the Occupied Territories, that it is no longer a national liberation struggle for a separate state, but a fully secular Israel?

    Or will Israel degenerate into a sectarian civil war?

    We will have to wait and see what develops.

    #217815
    alanjjohnstone
    Participant

    Israel excuses its deliberate bombings of civilian buildings by saying that it gives prior warning before the attacks.

    Didn’t anybody inform the Israeli government that such advance warnings did not exempt the IRA bombings from still being criminal acts of terror.

    #217817
    ALB
    Keymaster

    How about tweeting the link to this article, James?

    #217819
    alanjjohnstone
    Participant

    Lengthy video of Norman Finkelstein explaining his views on the current situation.

    #217820
    alanjjohnstone
    Participant

    “I’m standing with the people of Israel who are coming under bombardment attacks, and condemn the Hamas terrorists. The people of NYC will always stand with our brothers and sisters in Israel who face down terrorism and persevere.”

    Andrew Yang running for NYC mayor

    #217821
    alanjjohnstone
    Participant

    And, of course, James, the blog is also trying to keep abreast of the situation and the developments and made this post.

    https://socialismoryourmoneyback.blogspot.com/2021/05/comments-on-current-palestinian-israeli.html

    #217830
    alanjjohnstone
    Participant

    Egyptian mediators were trying to broker a ceasefire agreement.

    But Jonathan Conricus, a spokesperson for the Israeli army, said he expected the fighting to intensify. Asked about a possible ceasefire, he said: “I don’t think my commanders are aware, or particularly interested.”

    The Israeli defence minister, Benny Gantz, said “this is just the beginning” of Israel’s strikes.

    #217848
    james19
    Participant

    Thank you for the links. 👍

    #217852
    alanjjohnstone
    Participant

    Israelis go on rampage.

    “…Overnight on Wednesday, far-right Jewish mobs took to the streets across the country searching for Arabs…”

    “public security minister, Amir Ohana, appeared to encourage mob violence. Ohana called for the release of a Jewish man arrested in connection with a fatal shooting of an Arab man in the city of Lod, after a synagogue and other Jewish property was torched. Ohana alleged, without providing evidence, that the shooter “acted in self-defence”. He added that “law-abiding citizens carrying weapons” were an aid to authorities.”

    It is as if Trump authorised the armed militias to help the police during the Black Lives Matter protests.

    “a mob of far-right Israelis dragged a man they thought was an Arab from his car and beat him until he lay on the ground motionless and bloodied.”

    “Videos were posted on social media of what appeared to be other attempted lynchings overnight. Violent incidents, including the burning of shops and restaurants, were reported in multiple towns across Israel, including Acre, Haifa and Tiberias.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/13/israel-gaza-airstrikes-rockets-hamas

    I think this is indeed a new development. Previously, many Israeli-Palestinians remained passive but now there appears to be expressions of discontent and unrest, and Jewish-Israelis are viewing them as a 5th-Column inside the country.

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