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‘In any event, scandals involving the ruling class are of no interest to socialists. Even if they were all saints they would still be exploiters and privileged parasites.’
Agreed ALB, but isn’t always worth pointing out the hypocrisies of the ruling parasites especially when their political lickspittles drone on about the importance of ‘law and order’ and that justice applies equally to all?ALB – You have to be careful when labeling anything as a ‘conspiracy theory’ since this is a favourite ploy used by the mainstream media to dismiss anything that is not ‘on message’ from their employers. Were the WMDs a conspiracy theory? The cover-up of Saville’s crimes a ‘conspiracy theory’? Going back was the Zinoviev letter or the Dreffus affair conspiracy theories? Just occasionally conspiracy theories are true.
Crikey, it’s a sad state of affairs if the bourgeois state can’t cover up the misdeeds of one of it’s own – I’d ask for a tax refund if I was him.
I always enjoy it when ‘politically down to earth’ people encounter something that they can’t explain – rather like those with ‘common sense’ when they encounter socialism for the first time.
For me the master of polemical music was Gil Scott Heron. Listen to his song Vildgolia from the Bridges album to see what I mean.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDxSDYbj9Zc
I recently sighted a UFO and asked on a neighborhood website if anyone else had seen it. The response was a mixture of comical indulgence and outright hostility. It suddenly occurred to me that many have had such sightings but choose not to speak about it for fear of the contemptuous response. As it turned out what I saw was the meteor that recently crashed into our planet and a lot of my ‘neighbours’ had to apologise for their contemptuous remarks. The whole episode reminded me of people’s response when they find out that I’m a socialist – pure contempt. The fear of the unknown is real and potent.
I wonder if these towns are also ‘sanctuaries for the newly born’ given the levels of poverty and widespread lack of medical insurance in the USA.
‘The defeat of the English Revolution, for those not interested in history, society, philosophy… politics.’
Now LBird is venturing into history with, it seems, an equally fragile hold on the facts. How was the English Revolution defeated? As he himself states bourgeois ideology had triumphed as did their ‘New Model Army’. The Restoration was only possible with the consent of the capitalists and the concessions of the king. The attempted counter revolution in 1688 was totally crushed. Explain yourself master Bird.
‘Quite so, but that truism isn’t exclusively applicable to LBird…’
In its way that is also a truism since all ideologies are founded on an ignorance of the class struggle – but perhaps that’s what you meant Z?
‘You are a thoroughgoing idealist determinist and have shown this over and over again, despite paying spurious lipservice to Marxism’
Exactly robbo – I have believed this from the start. It is curious that many intelligent people (like our feathered friend) have no insight into their own ideological motivation and perspective.
“But what is the point of this thread? To show that the rest of the working class are dumb and that we are therefore never going to get socialism?
Yes! There’s more chance of Homo Sapiens joining the estimated 99% of species that ever existed and which are now extinct.
Zusammenhang – So scientists, doctors, engineers, pilots, nurses etc, are all ‘dumb’ (stupid)? Clearly socialist consciousness cannot just be a matter of intelligence as there are millions of workers who are more ‘intelligent’ than we are. The idea that consciousness will arrive spontaneously out of dire need sounds suspiciously like Leftist dogma to me. It seems obvious that there is more to it than IQ and education. The ‘elephant in the room’ is the conditioned need for authoritarian social structures and leaders – shared by both Left and Right. Understanding this infantile emotional need born of alienation has to be understood before we can progress.
P.Albelard – Just to point out the obvious. The great majority of well ‘educated’ people are anti-socialist. This implies that education/intellectual intelligence is not the major component of socialist consciousness. An ability to imagine the alternative to authoritarian social structures is primarily the realm of psychology.
‘The active, conscious subject creates its object for itself. There is no ‘nature’ outside of human conscious activity, outside of humanity’s social production.’
The Idealist Manifesto right there – Marx would have laughed at such absurdity.
