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ParticipantThe SPGB does know more about Russian history than Putin. We are historical materialists. Putin is a politician, and a nationalist.
You might as well say Boris Johnson knows more about British history than we do.
We’ve been about a lot longer too, and analysed the nature of the Russian Revolution, knowing already by 1918 what it was.
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ParticipantState-capitalism was often held back by ideology, in the case of Mao especially.
After the Mao-made famine of the late fifties, Mao was squeezed out of politics for a few years. He was ignored, and his articles for the press were left unpublished.
During this time, capitalist development revived and progressed. Then Mao, desperate, attacked the CPC using the teenage Red Guards imbued with his cult, and both schooling and production again suffered. These are prime examples of state-capitalism being retarded in its purpose of capitalist development by the whims of the head of state.
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Participant“like a boomerang, I am running circles around you.”
He is definitely running in circles. Seems that he is the one who’s bitter and running about. Where to, I don’t know. Running in order to avoid answering any questions.
I doubt very much he knows anything of social history and Marxism, and very little of philosophy in general. I also suspect he is young, reliant on sloganeering and conspiracy-“theory.”
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ParticipantI think threads are bound to digress. It’s normal conversation.
Locke invited his readers, let’s throw the ideas about; we’ll assemble them later.
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ParticipantIn June 1966 all teaching stopped in Chinese schools. Instead, pupils had to gaze at a portrait of Mao every day.
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ParticipantI remember footage of the PLA burning Vietnamese villages while singing “We are the people’s army.”
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ParticipantYou’re a Holocaust-denyer?
Re: manufacturing consent, isn’t that also the role of the Russian state? If not, why are opposition journalists and news stations silenced?
Yes, we are free of ideology. We are people who have come together because of points of agreement about society. We don’t sing from any songsheet handed down by a leadership.
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ParticipantBut TS is revealing here a conspiracist trait. Conspiracists have no discernment. We socialists can read, watch or listen to anyone, and we use discernment to separate what is likely or unlikely, true or false. Conspiracists don’t have that ability, which is probably why TS isn’t paying attention to any substance here. Like a conspiracist, he is simply an ideology-follower, with everything simplistically black and white.
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ParticipantThanks. My father told me that before the Russian Revolution, Trotsky had attended one or two of our meetings in London. Is that true?
I know Harry Young had met Lenin and others in Moscow the same time John Reed was there.-
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ParticipantStarting in 1965, Chinese were ordered to pull up grass and flowers, and kill their pets. All three, grass, flowers and pets, were called “bourgeois.”
Prior to this, in the 1950s, all dogs were rounded up and starved to death in compounds. Everyone had also to kill all sparrows that could be found, and make noise under trees so that birds couldn’t rest.Thomas_More
ParticipantI know. He was also called the Butcher of the Ukraine.
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ParticipantConfucius lived when China was actually feudal, in the Chou dynasty.
Feudalism ended with Chin Shih Huang’s conquest of the feudal kingdoms in the third century B.C.E.
Confucius was hated by the tyrant Chin, and the first emperor’s book-burnings were emulated by Mao in the 20th century.China’s imperial mode of production was consolidated under the Han, in our Roman times. Confucius’ writings were deemed useful by then, and adopted by the throne. But he himself had lived in the past feudal society.
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ParticipantThurs at 10 pm on Channel 4, How To Survive A Dictator, about Mugabe.
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ParticipantWhich would absolve Trotsky from being the wilful distorter that the others were, were he not a killer of workers.
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ParticipantI wouldn’t insult Confucius, in spite of his feudal ideas, by comparing him with Mao.
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