Maduro´s gangster capitalist regime
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July 30, 2024 at 9:39 am #253398robbo203Participant
i think it is quite extraordinary what is happening in Venezuela, Not to beat about the bush, the Maduro regime is a disgusting authoritarian gangster-capitalist regime that is as corrupt as it comes. The top Chavistas have raked in millions while the workers suffer. Its sickening that some on the left rush in blindly to defend this regime: they can only see the world through the prism of “anti-American imperialism”. Of course, American imperialism is obnoxious and utterly hypocritical as well but the enemy of an enemy is not necessarily a friend, as they say….
There seems little doubt that the election results announced by the electoral authorities, the CNE, giving Maduro victory with 51 per cent of the vote was a blatant fraud. It appears that the opposition has actual physical evidence to hand in the form of paper “actos de mano” (which are produced by the voting machines on each voting table) to show that their candidate, Edmundo Gonzalez won by a landslide. There is a link showing that even with only 73% of these actos de mano in their possession (they were supposed to have received 100% but were prevented from receiving the full complement after it became clear Maduro was losing)- Gonzalez had 6.275.182 votes and Maduro just 2.259.256. There are also countless examples of photographic evidence of computer screens showing the results coming in from different parts of Venezuela, all indicating that the opposition was winning by a huge margin. It is significant that up to now, no actual physical evidence has been produced to show that Maduro had won by 51 per cent. It is a lie. Even the old Communist Party of Venezuela (as well as Leftist regimes elsewhere in South America) has apparently called for the true results to be respected. Needless to say one does not have to be a supporter of the opposition and its programme of capitalist market reform to appreciate the importance of this
July 30, 2024 at 10:47 am #253403robbo203ParticipantUseful idiots like the so-called Venezuelan Solidarity Campaign lending their support to a gangster capitalist state like Venezuela seem to be utterly oblivious to the utterly corrupt nature of the regime. Economic inequality in Venezuela is one of the highest in the world and the gini coefficient has steadily increased over the last decade to a staggering 0.6
A tiny clique of extraordinarily wealthy and well-connected economic parasites has flourished under this regime which ranks as number 177 out of 180 countries in terms of corruption according to the Transparency Index. According to this article, “the Maduro family heads up a racket aiming at pillaging gold mines in the south of the country, by buying up the gold at low cost and then selling it overseas through the central bank”.
https://insightcrime.org/news/analysis/gamechangers-venezuela-maduro-criminal-ties/
It makes my stomach turn when I come across expressions such as “Chavista socialism” or so-called “21st-century socialism” in Venezuela. This is as bad as the abuse of the term “socialism” by the Nazis. Maduro and his cronies have nothing whatsoever to do with socialism. They are a bunch of capitalist criminals out to enrich themselves and cynically using politics to achieve their aim. Those who support him should be exposed for what they are- useful idiots
August 1, 2024 at 7:11 pm #253461TobyBelchParticipantHi there,
Are you a member of the SPGB?
August 1, 2024 at 8:32 pm #253462robbo203ParticipantHi there,
Are you a member of the SPGB?
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Toby – Yes, I am. Are you wanting to say something? Make a comment about what I wrote?To anticipate any flak for saying what I said in my comments about the Maduro regime (since I seem to have run into some flak elsewhere!), I should copy and paste something here that I posted elsewhere (slightly amended for greater clarity). If anyone can show me that I am mistaken in writing what I have written, I would be grateful if you could point out specifically where and how I have erred. This is my genuine understanding of what the situation is in Venezuela but I am open to correction if I am wrong….
…………………………………………Yes of course we should be sceptical of Western sources and statements from the US State Department. We should also be sceptical of sources like Consortium News, that Alan linked to, that come to quite different conclusions about this election. We should accept no argument at face value but should examine the evidence forensically. I am fortunate in this respect in that my partner is Venezuelan and has explained how the procedure works in detail.
The evidence centres on the “Actas de manos” or voting tallies that each voting machine on every table in every voting centre throughout the country, produces. The Acta is a long slip of paper which has a QR code and a unique identification number that cannot be forged. It is also time dated. At the end of the vote copies are given to accredited witnesses of the different parties present, signed and counter signed by the person responsible for the voting centre. The results are sent to the CNE the central electoral body, but the people on the ground have physical proof of how the voting went in the form of the Acta. It’s an excellent system – the best in the world in fact according to the Carter center that monitored the elections but it precisely because it is so good that the Maduro regime, I believe, was found out to have committed fraud on a grand scale. It was caught with its trousers down.
What happened is that it did not anticipate that the opposition had a plan to deliberately collect together all of these actas and totalise the results to ensure the vote was accurate. Nearly every acta produced throughout the country – about 90% at last count I believe – has now been published on its website and made available for complete public scrutiny. I repeat again – you cannot fake or forge an Acta. It has a QR code and a unique identification number. The totalised result of the Actas on the website show that the opposition got somewhat more than twice the number of votes that Maduro got.
This is the basic argument in support of the claim that result declared was a fraud.
Significantly the CNE declared Maduro had won before all the votes had been counted and to date has still not provided any factual evidence that he got 51 per cent of the vote . I could not care less if it so happens that the US State Department or other western outlets have come to the same conclusion or that the opposition is a “right-wing bourgeois party” I obviously oppose it without reservation but what we have here is the principle of democratic practice that is at stake.The evidence seems pretty overwhelming that a fraud has been committed. We shouldn’t allow the fact that US State Department has said this to prevent us from saying this as well. Even the Communist Party of Venezuela has declared that the result was a fraud and, like I say, it is very telling that the CNE, has still not published any actual evidence supporting its claim that Maduro won. That’s because it is in an impossible situation, in my view, that it never anticipated would happen. What happens next I have no idea…
August 1, 2024 at 8:48 pm #253463robbo203ParticipantAt the risk of being accused of relying too much on the “MSN”, here´s an update on the situation in Venezuela from the “Irish News”
August 4, 2024 at 9:57 am #253479ALBKeymasterIt is not only the pro-US right that is questioning the official result but also leftists such as the Communist Party of Venezuela and at least one Trotskyist group:
https://www.laizquierdadiario.com/Venezuela-que-se-publiquen-todas-las-actas
Their demand that the government publish the full voting figures seems reasonable enough, even elementary.
August 6, 2024 at 9:26 am #253498robbo203ParticipantIt seems that some organisation called Anonymous has been hacking the accounts of government departments of the Venezuelan regime and also the personal accounts of individuals associated with the regime and involved in the repression of the opposition.
https://x.com/revistacodigo21/status/1820670044730237027?t=S8kE87wUMeZxtgyDSYVZUQ&s=08
Hundreds of photos and personal numbers of high-ranking military, police and other individuals, have been released on to the internet. Also released is information about the extraordinary wealth of the tiny capitalist clique at the heart of the regime. These individuals are well and truly loaded as the expression goes and no doubt have some luxurious bolthole to retire to if things go pear-shaped. I understand Turkey is one of the favoured destinations but there are other options including Cuba
Difficult to know how things are going to pan out. Though we obviously oppose the right-wing opposition and its Western backers, just as we oppose the thuggish capitalist Maduro regime, there can zero doubt now that, in fact, the opposition did win the election by a big margin and as democrats it behoves us to acknowledge this. The concrete empirical evidence is irrefutable
https://resultadosconvzla.com/
If anyone hasn’t seen the evidence click on the above link, scroll down and click on any blue button to the right. Continue in this fashion and then on the last page for “mesa”(or voting table) click on “acta” (or voting slip). These actas cannot be forged or faked (they each have a QR code and unique ID number) and so the result as recorded on that site (with 80 per cent of the actas) has to be accurate
The big question is – how does Maduro, having lied about having won the election wriggle out of this impossible situation and still keep face? I cant see that happening and at the moment I can’t see the army coming in, either, and staging a coup. The activities of Anonymous might prompt a backlash and cause them to close ranks around Maduro
August 9, 2024 at 10:07 am #253525robbo203ParticipantIt’s been nearly two weeks and STILL Maduro´s gangster capitalist regime has provided zero evidence (which he promised he would provide) in support of the claim that he won the election. However much we might dislike and oppose the right-wing opposition and its hypocritical Western backers like the US State Department (who bleat about “democracy” when it suits them and oppose it when it doesn’t) the hard empirical evidence in the form of scanned copies of the actual voting returns for each voting centre unequivocally shows that the opposition won by a landslide – more than 2 to 1
It’s like the emperor has been found with no clothes on. No one seriously believes Maduro won apart from a few sad deluded trendy lefties on the West coast of the US still peddling the lie that is laughably called “21st century socialism”. Oh and, of course, predictably enough, Russia and China (there are plenty of Russians and Chinese setting up base in Venezuela) The fat cats that surround the figurehead of Maduro have creamed off a great deal of the wealth of Venezuela while the economic plight of Venezuelan workers steadily worsens – not just as a result of sanctions but also because of the corrupt policies of the regime itself
In the meanwhile, the activities of the hacker group, Anonymous, are causing havoc to the regime. Hundreds of names of officers in the military and police forces have been published – including photos and contact details – following the increase in state repression particularly in favelas or shanty towns, erstwhile strongholds of Chavismo. Bank accounts of the regime´s fat cats including Maduro´s, have apparently been hacked as well. The computer history of some of the top brass in the military has been exposed including in one case, this individual´s multiple visits to porn sites. It’s all designed to make a laughing stock of the regime and it seems to be working
Where it’s all going to lead to I don’t know. The opportunity for Maduro to save face and leave quietly – maybe to Cuba or somewhere else friendly to the current regime – seems to have disappeared. He has nailed his colours to the mast and will probably go down fighting to keep alive the lie. Or he might be overthrown by the military, in due course, but at the moment the military is backing him
August 9, 2024 at 11:37 am #253527ALBKeymasterWhat is at stake in Venezuela is not simply a change of officeholders (as happened here on 4 July) but a change of one state from one big power’s sphere of influence to another’s — in the occurrence from Russia’s back to America’s. In these circumstances both sides are going to play dirty, as we’ve seen in Ukraine.
According to this, one possible outcome is a fresh elections:
“In the meantime, there is a succession of rumors in the regional media regarding the confidential negotiations carried out by the governments of Colombia, Mexico and Brazil. According to the reconstruction of the Spanish newspaper “El Pais”, which has not yet been officially denied, the idea would be to open a direct conversation between Gonzalez Urrutia and Maduro, but removing Machado from the scene, clear winner of the primaries carried out by the opposition last October but made ineligible on the basis of controversial rulings of administrative justice first and then criminal justice. A leader who has always been indigestible to the government authorities, considered – also by virtue of past pronouncements in favor of a military attack from abroad – a member of the “radical” opposition accused of plotting against the national order in the pay of the USA. The end point of this negotiation would be a new election, to be held before the end of the year, with a renewed promise to adhere to international standard.”
I don’t know how realistic this is but it can’t be ruled out. Or how reliable the news agency is but it seems to a leading Italian one.
According to it, the Maduro government has apparently passed on the famous “actas” — the full results — to the Supreme Court examining the elections, so somebody else has got them. Surely they will be leaked at some time?
Apparently the Supreme Court has to come up with something by next Friday.
August 9, 2024 at 3:24 pm #253531robbo203Participant“According to it, the Maduro government has apparently passed on the famous “actas” — the full results — to the Supreme Court examining the elections, so somebody else has got them. Surely they will be leaked at some time?”
____________________________________________-Ive heard that the hacktivist group, Anonymous, has hacked over 300 government websites as well as the CNE´s website which presumably has 100% of the Actas. Cant confirm it yet but this information is supposed to show that the opposition did indeed win by a big majority (meaning the government knew this all along). This is in line with the results given on the opposition´s own website which is based on just over 80% of the actas and has to be considered reliable because it contains scanned images of the original actas
The regime suggested that some entity in Macedonia might have hacked the data from the voting centres. But this is not possible because the results were communicated via landlines, not the internet. I guess the CNE must have been compiling the results and entering them in on its website which website might have been hacked by Anonymous
August 10, 2024 at 4:45 pm #253541robbo203ParticipantInteresting article on the elections in Venezuela and how the opposition anticipated an electoral fraud
August 10, 2024 at 7:29 pm #253543ALBKeymasterAccording to this website, all the other candidates contesting the election (there were 10 candidates in all) except the US-backed candidate González (and alternative gang of gangster capitalists) have submitted evidence, including their tallies, to the Supreme Court. Why not? What have they got to hide? What game are they playing?
August 10, 2024 at 10:07 pm #253545h.moss@swansea.ac.ukParticipantSomeone is fighting a losing battle here.
August 11, 2024 at 7:47 am #253546robbo203ParticipantAccording to this website, all the other candidates contesting the election (there were 10 candidates in all) except the US-backed candidate González (and alternative gang of gangster capitalists) have submitted evidence, including their tallies, to the Supreme Court. Why not? What have they got to hide? What game are they playing?
My understanding of the situation is that the main opposition PUD party of Gonzalez and Machado has refused to appear before the Supreme Court and present the physical evidence that they had won the elections because
1) they believe they will be arrested on various charges. (Machado is currently in hiding)
2) they believe that once the physical evidence of voting tallies – the actual slips of paper representing the voting results generated by each voting machine – had been presented to the court, they would lose control over this evidence which could then be destroyed. Having expended so much effort collecting this evidence, they want to keep this ace card up their sleeve….
It’s a political game of chess that each side is playing but one should bear in mind that both the CNE and the Supreme Court are, to a lesser or greater extent, tools of the authoritarian Maduro regime. They are not neutral.
The article says
On Tuesday, CNE President Elvis Amoroso delivered the electoral evidence requested by the Supreme Court, including disaggregated voting records and totals. The electoral authority was likewise asked to provide evidence of the cyberattack, with experts calling for thorough answers given that the CNE’s data transmission is an offline, encrypted process.
This is curious. The electoral body or CNE has yet to publish a breakdown of the results which it is obliged to do legally. This is a departure from past elections when the disaggregated results were published. I suspect it is because they know the opposition candidate had won the election. The disaggregated election results published on the opposition website showing this, cannot be forged because they are based on the evidence of scanned copies of the original actas each with their unique QR code, ID number and the original “wet signatures”. Though the opposition did not manage to collect all of the actas, they did collect about 83% of them, enough to demonstrate that Gonzalez had won convincingly by more than 2 to 1. The problem is that the regime has blocked access to this website inside Venezuela itself, as I understand it, even if you and I can access it from outside the country.
If the Supreme Court requires definitive evidence then presumably they have it in the form of the disaggregated results provided by the CNE. So why are they asking others to present evidence? The thing is the Supreme Court is not going to publish these results itself, I don’t think, and doesn’t really have the competency to assess them. That is the job of the CNE but they have refused to publish them.
This is why I strongly suspect that the Supreme Court is just being used by Maduro to rubber stamp what is a massive electoral fraud. It will then deflect criticism of the regime by coming up with trumped-up charges against the opposition about insurrection and the like. The detailed results will likely never get published….
The problem is that the opposition has not helped its cause by aligning themselves with unsavoury regimes like the US At the end of the day they, like the Maduro regime, are capitalist entities intent upon administering a socio-economic system that can only ever be administered against the interests of the workers. Even so what is at stake here is some semblance of the democratic process and what we are witnessing is the slide into a kind of fascism.
The Maduro regime with its hired thugs and stasi-like network of informants is bent on ratcheting up the repression. I have seen videos of streets with doors marked with a big “X” signifying the presence of opponents of the regime to be later rounded up and incarcerated. Chilling. Bit like the Nazis and the Jews if you ask me. Mind you, the hacktivist group Anonymous has not helped matters, in my opinion, by publishing lists of the contact details of literally hundreds of police officers and others implicated in the repression. It just gives these people an additional reason to stick with the regime
August 11, 2024 at 9:08 am #253549ALBKeymasterI don’t know how closely some here have been following what is happening. Maduro (who presumably knows what the real result is, whatever it is) has asked the Supreme Court to validate the declared election result. The Court could do this but it is not the only possibility. It has been suggested that they could order a new election. We will have to wait and see.
One thing that we can be certain of is the diplomatic and other negotiations will be going on to find a way out. According to this report, Maduro has declared that he is prepared to negotiate with the US:
If he knows that he has lost he will know his bargaining position has been weakened but not completely. He still controls the armed forces and, even on the opposition’s figures, has the support of about a third of the population. In the other hand, he will know that it will be difficult to govern when more than half the population is against you.
We don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes of course but, if a civil war is to be averted, some compromise will have to be worked out. And presumably it can be assumed that the US doesn’t want a civil war as it wants access to Venezuelan oil and the minerals in the Orinoco area. That won’t be possible if a guerrilla movement like FARC in next door Colombia appears (not difficult to organise if you have a third of the population with you).
Here is the position of another opposition candidate (the one supported by the Communist Party of Venezuela) who is basically saying “respect the constitution, publish the full results” and take it from there. The opposition can’t simply declare that its candidate is the elected president and try to take over.
Venezuela opposition pushes for transparency amid election fraud allegations, protests
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