September 1, 2022 at 3:21 pm #232589Lizzie45Participant
Biggest squeeze in living standards for a century as millions more face absolute poverty.September 2, 2022 at 9:51 am #232603
Just watched a report on worldwide civil unrest set to expand in 2023 over cost of living and energy.
With the world’s capitalists on the brink of world war, might they not trigger it to offset any chance of the workers getting together against them (the capitalists)?September 2, 2022 at 10:42 am #232604
Doesn’t the UK get most of its gas from the North Sea instead of Russia? The French workers are not facing the extortionate costs we are. So obviously, the British state wants us to hate “the Russians” rather than our masters here.September 2, 2022 at 11:24 am #232606Lizzie45Participant
“The French workers are not facing the extortionate costs we are.”September 2, 2022 at 11:33 am #232607
Thanks.September 2, 2022 at 4:42 pm #232608
A Tory ex-minister, Neil O’Brien, has come up with a more radical idea than “A Fair Price for Power” — allowing households to use energy up to given amount free:September 3, 2022 at 8:24 am #232619alanjjohnstoneKeymaster
I wonder how long it will be before Brits are given the same advice instead of being referred to food banks
Fiore said he and his team concocted a formula that combines locally farmed mopane worms with cereals and fruits…He said he was sure the dish was palatable, with his research team having conducted consumer taste tests in Scotland, a country long associated with porridge.September 3, 2022 at 10:38 am #232622
Even if the proles here were told to eat bugs, they’d just do it, and blame it all on Russia.September 3, 2022 at 10:46 am #232623
I see you have a high opinion of your fellow proles, but if you write them off you write socialism off too.September 3, 2022 at 11:05 am #232624
Well I don’t see it (socialism) happening, although I still think it our duty to promote it for as long as we live.
It isn’t that everyone doesn’t have the rational tool for it, but I don’t see it being used, because reason isn’t master, and I think the party is naive in its, well, 18th century-like view of the primacy of reason.
Why are the poorest and most deprived also the most adulatory and reactionary?September 3, 2022 at 11:28 am #232625
Getting on for 150 years since the party’s founding, and membership has remained the same or less, mostly kept to the offspring of members.
And today, thousands more flat earthers than there are socialists!
I also seem to remember a trades union rep rejecting Corbyn’s anti-militarism by saying the British workers’ priority has to be defence of the realm!September 3, 2022 at 12:06 pm #232626robbo203Participant
TM: “It isn’t that everyone doesn’t have the rational tool for it, but I don’t see it being used, because reason isn’t master, and I think the party is naive in its, well, 18th century-like view of the primacy of reason”.
There is some truth in that Thomas but what is the alternative? We cannot abandon a rational analysis of capitalist society but we can perhaps supplement – or complement? – it with other methods of promoting socialism or, at any rate, values consonant with a socialist outlook.
Perhaps we need a new thread devoted to exploring what these methods might beSeptember 3, 2022 at 12:14 pm #232627
I agree. There is no alternative. It remains our duty to persist.September 3, 2022 at 12:20 pm #232628
“Why are the poorest and most deprived also the most adulatory and reactionary?”
I am not sure that this is true. According to this book, The Pound and the Fury, reviewed in the March Socialist Standard those in the sink estate the author interviewed thought that the economy was a conspiracy of the rich and powerful to keep them poor, admittedly they didn’t think anything could be done about it.
I agree with Robbo that this is not the thread on which to discuss how supposedly demoralised and useless the working class are just as the biggest fightback since the miner’s strike is about to kick off.September 3, 2022 at 12:33 pm #232629
Being put in “jobclubs” etc. several times for us unemployed “scroungers”, I found my fellow jobless, much worse off than me, very very Tory.
And every homeless man i’ve met has boasted of his military exploits and told me we need the draft back.
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