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True Narcissist said “The multipolar world being birthed now is qualitatively different to the one lorded over by the US empire and its EU vassals.”
How is a multipolar world qualitatively different to a unipolar world in terms of the working class. The fact is that we have had multipolar worlds in history and in fact the unipolar US based single superpower is actually unusual historically, we had a multipolar world up until the disintegration of the USSR.
During the life of Lenin, who’s theory of Imperialism you pretend to support and understand, but you clearly have never read or absorbed (I am still chuckling about your reference to the Polish late medieval Empire a being an example of Imperialism), the world was very definitely multipolar.
The German, the Austro Hungarian and the Ottoman Empires were vying for control of the world’s resources with the British, French and American Empires. A multipolar world then was not an advantage to the Workers at all, how will it be advantageous to us now?. (Just in case you have forgotten, Socialists are supposed to be supporting the interests of our own class, the Working Class).
In the time of Marx the world was multipolar, The British Empire, The French Empire, The German Empire, The Italian Empire, The Belgian Empire, The Dutch Empire and the Portuguese Empire were involved in the scramble for Africa and the colonisation of The East Indies, did Marx highlight the way that this Multipolar World was a great benefit to the workers of the world, I think not.
You state that this new multipolar world will be, and I quote directly from you “qualitatively different” from the unipolar world of US and EU hegemony. How will this be qualitatively different for workers in this new world? You, according to your description of yourself, are a Marxist. So how can you explain, from a Marxist frame of reference, that this new multipolar world will be qualitatively different?
How will this multipolar world bring about the end of the exploitation of the working class, i.e. the end of the use of capital to produce surplus value? If the system, you describe does not end the expropriation of the product of the workers
labour, how can this be helpful to the Workers?How can the hegemony or even the parity of the Russian capitalist class (you have admitted that Russia is a capitalist society) help the working class in any way? Russia is one of the most unequal countries in the world. The poorest half of the population owns 17% of national income, while the richest 500 people own 40% of financial assets in the country.
My Trades Union has had affiliation with Russian Trades Unions and our affiliates have stated that there have been many occasions of wildcat strikes in Russia because the trades union legislation is even more repressive that UK anti trades union legislation. The Russian Government has stated that “labour relations in Russia are amicable and settled, and there are practically no disputes or strikes”. You claim to be a Marxist, can you seriously state that somehow the Russia has developed a way of running a capitalist state (which you have acknowledged exists) where there is no conflict between the interests of Labour and the interests of Capital?
Furthermore, considering your promotion of a multipolar world, The Chinese Communist Party has stated very clearly that China is not a Socialist society, it has stated that development of a Socialist Society will take “in the region of 100 years”. I have previously quoted that statement and you have acknowledged that this is the situation. This statement states explicitly that “large sections of the economy will be based on the capitalist model”. How can the capitalist model, which Marxists (which you claim to be) know and understand to based on the exploitation of surplus value, be in the interests of the Working Class??????
How is being exploited by a Russian or a Chinese capitalist be “Qualitatively different” from being exploited by a British, American or European Capitalist?
You don’t even have the rudimentary understanding of economic, social or Marxist theory and history to realise that using the term “vassal” is clearly economically inappropriate for a discussion about a capitalist economy!!
BD “Says the genius that credulously accepts the proveably false nonsense that Grover Furr spews out.”
True Narcissist – “Rubbish. But I’m not going to bite. The little goldfish has forgotten where it is again. It’s swum over to the Ukraine/Russia page. Swim along little goldfish, mind the filter-intake.”
Scared to be exposed to the implications of the ridiculous views you hold, more like. Your cowardice in terms of signing up for the war you support is matched by discussing the fragility of the material you hold so dear.
“Serious question…Is there anything written in MSM you don’t credulously accept as fact?”
Says the genius that credulously accepts the proveably false nonsense that Grover Furr spews out.
Chemsford- “Twas the Great Baaaard who sai…no it wasn’t, it was Oscar Wilde. And what he said was: …a poor man who is ungrateful, unthrifty, discontented and rebellious, is probably a real personality, and has much in him…As for the virtuous poor…one cannot possibly admire them. They have made private terms with the enemy, and sold their birthright for very bad pottage.
Sixty six pounds to be precise.”Terrific post mate, great quote. Never heard that one before but I will memorise it and use it!!
Hmmm TN, as I thought puerile, childish insults, you really do need to try harder.
But at least we know you won’t be “relying” on Grover Furr’s spurious and laughable “research” to support your pseudo Stalinist viewpoints.
Amazing isn’t it True Narcissist, as soon as the debate becomes difficult for you you’re suddenly cry out that posts are off topic.
I suppose it makes a change from childish name calling.
The fact of the matter is and what is plain for everyone to see is that you have no response to the criticism of Grover Furr’s ludicrous claims.
Even Grover Furr admits that mass deaths and repression occurred during the years of the great purge.
“The repression unleashed in July 1937 had mown down nearly 750,000 men, women and children by the end of 1938.” Furr however claims: ‘Yezhov’s own confessions prove that Stalin and the Soviet leadership were not responsible for his mass executions’ (p. 107 Yezhov v Stalin by Grover Furr).
Of course Yehzov “admitted” that he had been a “German Agent” since 1932 and that all of the deaths were part of a plot to destabilise the USSR.
This begs the question, if Stalin didn’t know about purges and that the USSR was a well developed democracy, why then did no one think to mention to Stalin that 3/4 million people had disappeared and been shot?
It also begs the question why did Stalin not order a big investigation into this “German Plot” rather than the action he actually took, discreetly having Yehzov shot immediately after his trial without any major publicity.
A cynic might think that Stalin might have got Yehzov to do his dirty work and then had him disposed of alongside evidence of Stalin’s culpability.
An even bigger cynic might think that Stalin didn’t carry out an investigation into the “German Plot” because Stalin and his chums were knee deep in collusion with the Nazis! Remember in 23 June 1939, Hitler and Stalin had signed a ten-year non-aggression pact with a secret protocol for partitioning Poland.
If anyone thinks that Grover Furr (specialist subject Medieval English Literature) is a credible author, reading his books will be enough to change your mind.
Solzhenitsyn was sent to the Labour camp for criticising Stalin and suggesting a change in government. You say that was appropriate as it was a time of emergency and the USSR was at war.
By that logic the British voters who ousted Churchill should have been put in a Labour camp.
You say that Stalin was not culpable.
If the verdicts of the show trials were correct, then he appointed to power a myriad of Trotskyists, pro capitalist agents and later fascist spies.
Stalin directly appointed into positions of power the following:Yehzov
Yagoda
Bukharin
Rykov
Antipov
Syrtsov
SulimovTo name just a few there were hundreds of direct Stalin appointees who were arrested and killed during the Great Purge.
If the verdicts were correct, Stalin’s complete lack of judgement on who to promote, appoint and support, must make Stalin the biggest threat to the Soviet system.
Stalin’s history is littered with people he had appointed and were described glowingly by Stalin (we have contemporary reports from the CPGB saying this in our archives). These same appointees ended up with death sentences for various forms of treachery.
Solzhenitsyn is a bit of a riddle for True Narcissist to unravel.
In the Gulag under TNs hero Stalin, released by TNs nemesis Khrushchev, exiled by Brezhnev and then rehabilitated by Putin.Solzhenitsyn once declared, “Over a half century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of old people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: ‘Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened. Since then I have spent well-nigh 50 years working on the history of our revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: ‘Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.'”
This is the guy lionised by Putin. He also praised Putin saying “Russia was rediscovering what it meant to be Russian.”
So TN was it correct for Stalin to put Solzhenitsyn in the Gulag or was Putin right to say that his treatment was “evil”. Is your contention that Putin’s government is a continuation of the Bolshevik tradition or is Putin’s view that Lenin was a great disaster for the Russian people correct. Is the elevation of the the Russian Orthodox Chuch the correct path or was the abolition of the Orthodox Church by the Bolsheviks the way forward. Final question for TN, do you know your arse from your elbow?
György Faludy’s memoir of his time in a Hungarian Stalinist labour camp (My Happy Days in Hell) made the point well. The labour camp guards he was held in had been recruited by the Hungarian Communist Party because they had previous relevant experience – working in the Fascist concentration camps.
No doubt if TN gets his dream of “De Nazifying” the Ukraine, the “Nazis” better brush up their cvs, they’ll be much sought out by the new regime.
What was it Pete Townshend said? “Meet the new boss, the same as the old boss!”
Hi Allen (sic)
Just a quick note to explain that I specifically stated that [moderator deleted].
However, as the issue has been raised, I think his ability to manage to spell you name correctly (given that it is spelt correctly in your user name) may be pertinent for others to take into consideration in their musings as to whether or not [moderator deleted] I of course shall remain silent on the issue
