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“And that’s why you haven’t been able to convince more than a relatively tiny handful of people in 120 years.”
And it’s also why millions of people are still dying from war, starvation and neglect needlessly over the last 120 years.
Anyway, I thought you had pissed off up to deepest Peru hunting for Paddington’s wellies and traces of marmalade sandwiches.
“i tried to use the quote function but the system blocked me. i’m never sure if there’s a malicious member hanging about (traitor! traitor! let’s nail his balls to the wall)”
From your occasional postings, I really never had you down as a Stirnerist, but perhaps your apparent sense of egoism betrays you.
The truth is, mate, your not that important to be blocked by us, or probably any one else. Sorry to upset you.
ZJW – faraor gan ach cúpla focal
With regards following Mayo, I do have that cross to bear (the curse of ’51) as well as following the perennially trophy less Newcastle United. I mentioned my twin affiliations to a farmer from Fermanagh who said to me “Ahh Jeysus, how many mirrors have your family broken”
I’ve been putting a tenner on a double of Newcastle winning the Cup and Mayo winning the All Ireland for the last 25 years, still might come off this year.
It contains the excellent lyric: “Nothing in this world comes without some kind of fight. Got to kick at the darkness ’till it bleeds daylight.”
Sounds a bit violent to me, think I’ll stick with the sport🙄
“I think that in Ireland they play a sort of rugby with a round ball called Gaelic football. I suppose their anthem might be “The Merry Ploughboy” whose chorus is;”
They do play Gaelic Football, but it is definitely not a sort of Rugby, it is a far more fluid and less legally technical than either Union or League. It’s a terrific game to watch (as is Hurling). Been to several games and a trip to Croke Park is well worth a visit. (Maigh Eo Abú)
As to the music (keeping the discussion within the topic, mod) most games at county level begin with the Irish National anthem, The Soldier’s Song (Amhrán na bhFiann) which has the usual nationalistic bombast. The first verse for example starts with:
“Soldiers are we, whose lives are pledged to Ireland,” but to be fair the melody is a bit more lively than the dreadful dirges that make up the vast majority of National Anthems.“That doesn’t apply to the South Wales mining values where rugby union was the popular sport. Maybe why rugby league clubs sent out scouts”
Used to do bits of work up in South Wales, up into the valleys, etc. the rugby club culture was very different to that in England.
It’s similar when you go up to the Scottish Borders, Kelso, Galashiels, Melrose, etc. Rugby mad.
Thing is, if they made the ball round, they could kick it properly and they wouldn’t have to pick it up.
“It’s ironic that this is the anthem for a violent sport (rugby).”
It’s actually the anthem for Rugby Union, not Rugby. The Rugby Football League split from the Rugby Football Union because the workers were starting to beat the public school boys at their own game. The claim was that miners and mill workers were professionals because they were given compensation from the clubs to make up for the time they lost playing rugby. The southern clubs, mainly based on old boys from the public school system, didn’t have to worry because they were “independently wealthy” i.e. living off the stolen profits of surplus value. A similar split occurred in Australia.
Rugby Leage was considered to be part of the radical movement in France and the Vichy state banned the game, with the support of the French Rugby Union and transferred all of the assets of the generally working class sport of Rugby League, to the French Rugby Federation. (Perhaps Moo would agree to banning Rugby in a Socialist Society???).
There are many people in the North West and Yorkshire despise the Rugby Football Union and similarly dispise that song.
I would also question whether or not Rugby (or any code of football) meets the definition of “violent”. Violent – “using or involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.”
Aggressive, yes, violent?
And if in a Socialist society people freely choose to play football, rugby, Tae Kwando, Cumberland/Westmorland wrestling, boxing, tiddly winks or lacrosse, who am I or Moo to say they shouldn’t do it?
Lizzie45 “As I’m going away for an extended period (don’t all cheer at once!)”
Don’t worry, you’re not as important than you think you are😂😂
A little quote from that article gives an interesting insight into the SPEW mentality:
“This led us to raise publicly the idea of an alternative workers’ party to Labour. We recognised that this was still a minority view, even amongst those who had retained a socialist consciousness, some of whom could be won to a revolutionary programme and organisation. This was illustrated by the singing of ‘The Internationale’ on mass demonstrations in France in the period following the collapse of the Soviet Union.”
There you have it, spoken from the lips of the vanguard. You can judge the level of socialist consciousness, the level of understanding of the need to reorganise society on the basis of common ownership, the level of public insight into the class struggle between those who own the means of production and those who produce wealth, by knowing that ……………… some French people were having a sing song.
Fuck me rigid, if I had know that 40 years ago I would have learned to play the mouth organ and we’d all now be living in a Socialist society.
I was only pulling your leg, Bonny Lad, although I might start referring you to as Mike Riley, or given your origins, should that be Jeff “bloody” Winter
Wez “Dunno about being placid angels but it would be a mightily embarrassing sight to see socialists sharing the tribalism that Chelmsford describes. ”
You’re free to watch me and my tribalistic and embarrasing behaviour, full of ale, up at “Sid James” Park every other Saturday afternoon (or Friday, Sunday, Monday, etc depending up on the whim of Sky TV, etc.).
1004 as a number of respondents is often used because it provides a magin of error of 3%. A 3 percent margin of error means that there is a 95 percent chance that the survey result will be within 3 percent of the population value.
To put it another way, you would expect to see a less than 3 percent difference between the proportion of people who say “yes” to the survey question and the proportion of people in the population who would say “yes” if asked.
1004 is often seen as the most cost effective sample size. By surveying 4,000 people, you can get the margin of error down to 1.5 percent. This sounds appealingly precise (for example, “The proportion is between 68.5 percent and 71.5 percent”), but it is generally considered an expensive waste of time because public opinion varies enough from day to day that it is meaningless to attempt too precise an estimate.
There are lots of variables though, how was the sample drawn, did the respondents all tell the truth etc.
Personally I cannot see why it would be hard to imagine a socialist society which has competitive sports and games as part of society.
In terms of games, I play bridge at a local club which has run for years with its own premises and works on a completely voluntary basis, no one gets paid, all of the work gets done, there are no leaders, unless you think the Club Secretary (elected annually) is a leader. To me it is an example of how Socialism could work compeltely smoothly and efficiently. There are loads of Bowls clubs, Tennis clubs, football and rugby teams, youth groups, etc. around the areas that operate on exactly the same way.
Another example of how sport might be organised in a Socialist Society would be to model the way that the Gaelic Athletic Association (The GAA) works. Basically you play for the club local to where you live (more or less and there are exceptions) the local Clubs are organised on a county basis. The winner of the county chapiionship progresses to the provincial championships (Ulster, Munster, Leinster and Connacht) the four winners go into semi finals and finals and the winner is the All Ireland Senior Club Champions.
At the same time each county picks a team from all of their county clubs and that team represents the county in the all Ireland County championship.
The GAA is nominally amateur and most local clubs are based on volunteers to function, just like the vast majority of local soccer/cricket/rugby teams are in the UK.
I can’t see any reason why all of the sports we enjoy cannot be adapted to fit in with a socialist society, perhaps Formula 1 might struggle (although why anybody wants to watch is effectively traffic beats me anyway)
Very kind of you to include smoggies in the English speaking world. Frankly, I’m spent enough of my life explaining to folk that I’m not a Geordie to know the difference, but don’t forget the influence of mass culture on shifting dialects: my sister’s kids call her ‘mum’. While I’m there, bairn is old English, but you’re right about Northumbrian generally as a conservative dialect. Teesside has added Irish inflection.
BTW, the second speaker clearly has picked up a few Geordie notes in his accent.
My point, though, wasn’t to criticise the magpie fans – the point was a general human one about how we stand our ground intellectually when we care about something, and how facts are absorbed.
After all, Gibbo is involved in all this freeport nonsense, capitalists are gonna capitalist.
YMS – Aye, divvent worry Marra, the Grandbairns have a Smoggy Fatha. A canny lad, but clearly misguided.
Thankfully grandbairn 1 has chosen the righteous path. Grandbairn 2 may be another issue, not yet two years old and full of hell!
Love the bones of the pair of them!
Her nickname is “Rosa” because of her nonconformity, so red and white might be her choice!
I agree with your general point that in captalism that we all have cognitive dissonance. Scottish and Newcastle Breweries were the biggest bunch of twats in the world, but I’d strangle a new born kitten for a bottle of the original bottle of Newcastle Brown Ale (not the shite on sale now), or a pint of Fed Special, Sold off to bloody Heiniken.
As you say, even Gibbo, who is probably the most popular and decent Football Club Owner, is constrained by the nature of capitalism.
My view is that sport and the joy it brings (as either spectator or participant) is one of the joys of life. I played football competitively until I was nearly 50 and I wish I was fit enough to play again.
In comparison to some of the shite capitalism throws up, sport etc. is small beer. However sport, the arts, travel, music are part of human need and the current system of property ownership continually deprives the majority meaningful access to all of these area of life.
If, as it seems, there is a hard evidence trail for what happened in California, he’s looking at 5-8 years in a secure penitentiary for rape.
Good looking lad like him might need to be careful in the showers, he could end up with a hoop like a clown’s pocket.
However, given what he’s accused of, it might be an appropriate come uppance, if you pardon the pun.
