The Dark Future of the USA

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    The question is: Are there any liberals ( Liberalism ) or any Fascists ( Nazis ) ? What was fascism and what was liberalism ? The ones who made alliance with the Nazis and Fascists ( the same ) were not liberals including the soviets who did not call themselves liberals. In the USA the expression liberals is applied to any one who advocates for certain governmental regulations, and they want to divide the society in liberals and conservative, instead of bourgeois and proletariat, even more there is a term called liberal communists which is contradictory, as contradictory as the term corporate socialism. The Soviets and the Stalinists continued using the term Nazis and Fascists after WWII when the Nazis and fascists were defeated, and anybody which oppose them were called Nazis or fascists, as well the Russians calls fascists to any Ukrainian opposition

    Neo-Liberalism: Old Religion Repackaged


    Something is wrong with this page is not loading, it takes a long time to load, and some messages are not posted. This is the SPGB stand on Fascism


    Anti-Fascism and Fascism

    What is fascism? Or, more pertinently, what was fascism, since the ideology and movement of that name developed in the specific historical conditions of the period between the last century’s two world wars.

    The word itself originated in Italy as the name given itself by an ultra-nationalist group opposed both to parliamentary democracy and to left-wing parties and which employed direct physical force on the streets as a deliberate tactic against its opponents. But it was not through street fighting that the fascisti came to power. They did so constitutionally when in 1922 the King, with the support of a section of the ruling class and its political representatives, appointed Mussolini Prime Minister. Once in control of political power the fascisti were able to consolidate their rule with Mussolini as dictator by dissolving parliament and banning other parties.

    In Germany the similar ultra-nationalist, anti-democratic movement called itself the ‘National Socialist German Workers Party’, or Nazis, but were also conventionally called fascists at the time. They were able to gain considerable popular and electoral support (over one-third of voters) as a result of the failure of the democratic and reformist parties to solve the problems caused by capitalism, in particular the mass unemployment in the slump that followed the Wall Street Crash of 1929. They too came to power constitutionally when the German President, with the approval of other politicians, appointed Hitler as Chancellor in 1933. From this position of control of state power, the Nazis were able to ban all other parties and the trade unions and install Hitler as dictator.

    One thing that Italy and Germany had in common was that they were relatively recent unified states, in 1870 and 1871 respectively. As a result, feelings of national unity were not as strong as in longer-established states such as Britain and France. The more virulent nationalism there reflected the ruling class’s need for a stronger central state that could overcome the remaining regionalist loyalties.

    In the case of Germany, its attempt in 1914 to get a place in the sun commensurate with its industrial and trading strength, inevitably at the expense of Britain and France which had carved out substantial colonial empires for themselves, had failed. But the problem remained for their capitalist class and any second attempt was going to be more aggressive because more desperate.

    Fascism, then, in its proper sense was an inter-world-war historical phenomenon which is not going to repeat itself because the conditions of that time are not going to. In this sense classical fascism is not a threat. So why ‘anti-fascism’ today?


    Anti-fascism was the ideology under which Britain and France, aided later by the US, fought the Second World War to see off Germany’s second attempt to find a place in the sun at their expense (they succeeded but only to see the US take their place as the dominating world power). Somewhat ironically, it was also the ideology under which their ally, Russia, fought its war over which power – Germany or Russia – should dominate eastern Europe; ironically because, apart from the institutionalised anti-semitism, the Russian dictatorship was the mirror-image of the German one (leader-worship, mass rallies, concentration camps, etc).

    As a result there have been two kinds of anti-fascism, one in defence of political democracy, the other in defence of the Russian dictatorship. The situation has been confused by the fact that the latter hypocritically employed the language of the former. So some anti-fascists have not really been ‘anti-fascist’ if this is defined as opposition to one-party dictatorships. But who isn’t opposed to these?

    Who today wants to replace political democracy by a one-party or a one-man dictatorship? Not even most far-right parties do. There are still some classical fascist groups around but their support is negligible. All political parties with any degree of electoral support now favour governments being chosen through parliamentary and/or presidential elections.

    It is an historical anachronism to describe today’s far-right parties which do have considerable support as fascist. Their ideas are still objectionable and dangerous, but they need to be opposed on some other basis than being fascist. On what basis, then, and how should they be opposed?

    Anti far-right

    Far-right parties have grown in recent decades as a result of two things – their opposition to immigration into their countries and the failure of conservative, liberal and social-democratic parties to solve the problems people face.

    As these problems are caused by the capitalist economic system’s imperative to put profit-making ahead of meeting people’s needs, governments formed by the conventional parties are doomed to fail and always do. The far-right parties have been able to exploit this to convince considerable numbers of people that the reason the other parties fail is because they are incompetent, self-seeking and corrupt, in much the same way as the classical fascists in the inter-world-war period were able to convince people that their problems were caused by democracy not capitalism.

    The main reason, however, why these parties have attracted support is their opposition to immigration. They are xenophobic, racist, nationalist parties. That’s the basis on which they should be challenged. But how?

    No platform no way

    Basically, what’s involved is a battle of ideas. Such battles can only be fought through discussion – and with leaflets, pamphlets, books, meetings and, nowadays, websites, podcasts and social media. That’s the only way to change ideas, not by physically fighting with those who hold them nor by taking action, legal or extra-legal, to stop people expressing or promoting them.

    That is why ‘no platforming’ far-right organisations is not the way, and is even counter-productive. Stopping them holding meetings, breaking them up, and refusing to let others debate with them, are not going to change their ideas. In fact they are more likely to reinforce them. Physically confronting far-rightists, turning their demonstrations into street brawls or beating up their members is even less effective and, besides, reduces politics generally to the more primitive level of settling disagreements by fisticuffs rather than voting.

    Of course, in so far as there are fringe gangs and deranged individuals who physically attack immigrants, as happens from time to time, nobody is going to object to self-defence groups, but this is a different issue to combating the broader ideology of far-right parties which don’t engage in such attacks.

    So, no, the way to combat xenophobia and racism is not direct action to stop these views being expressed but to challenge and confront them as mistaken and dangerous, even in public debate with groups that advocate them. In fact refuting their mistaken and dangerous views in a public debate can be very effective.

    Anti-capitalism and anti-nationalism

    What should be the content of the case against far-right ideas? This has to be more than just the general case that all humans are members of the same species with the same range of abilities and should be treated equally. This has to be an essential part of course but it is not enough on its own. Opposing these ideas cannot avoid bringing up the cause of the problems ordinary people face and which the far-right wrongly identifies and to which they offer a mistaken solution. Capitalism has to be mentioned and it has to be explained that the way-out is to establish a world of common ownership, democratic control, production to directly meet people’s needs and not for profit, and distribution of goods and services in accordance of the principle ‘from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs’. In short, socialism properly understood.

    The trouble is that most ‘anti-fascists’, even those calling themselves socialists (some are supporters of third-world dictatorships), are not anti-capitalism. They think that the problems ordinary people face can be solved within the profits-wages-money system that is capitalism. This is a serious weakness when it comes to making a case against the far-right since it rules out making the point that one reason for its rise in recent years is precisely the failure – impossibility in fact – of the conventional parties to solve these problems because they seek solutions within the framework of capitalism, so contributing to a situation which the far-right can benefit from. It goes without saying that of course the far-right can’t solve them either.

    The other weakness is that most ‘anti-fascists’ are nationalists, that is, they accept that the world is, and should be, divided into separate national groups entitled to inhabit a part of the globe and whose members share a common interest. Nations are in fact ‘imagined communities’ whose members are divided into two antagonistic classes – the capitalists who own the means of production and who are the ruling class and the rest who work for them for wages. Nationalism is the ideology through which a national ruling class obtains and maintains the support and acquiescence of those they rule over. The ‘national interest’ is their interest.

    This is a misconception that ‘anti-fascists’ share with the far-right. It means that nationalist ‘anti-fascists’ are combating the ideas of the far-right on the far right’s territory, as when it comes to arguing whether or not immigration is in the ‘national interest’. Since the national interest is that of the capitalist class within each supposed nation in some cases the far-right is able to show that immigration controls and discrimination against ‘foreigners’ are in the national capitalist interest,


    Any campaign against the far-right views has to be waged on the level of ideas, not physical attacks or legal or extra-legal bans. It has to be based on recognising that capitalism is the cause of the problems such parties exploit to gain support and so a cause of their existence, and on a rejection of all nationalism of which xenophobia is just one end of the same spectrum. In short, the struggle against racist and xenophobic views should not be separated from the struggle for socialism as a world community without frontiers.



    A quarter of Americans would take up arms against the government,


    To do what? They don’t have contradiction with the economic system or class consciousness To place another white buffalo in power and killing of workers against workers. They are still living living in 1776


    The Supreme Court will hear oral arguments in Moore v. Harper—a case involving the dubious right-wing “independent state legislature theory” (ISLT)—this October.


    They should nominate Torquemada as magistrate of the USA Supreme Court. All those court decisions show for whom they are working for: The big corporations and the USA ruling class. Without political consciousness workers are going to be cheated all the time. Reactionary Christians have taken over the supreme about and some are supporting conspiracy theories that are being spread by the members of Qanon


    If the Supreme Court wants white women to have more children than colored peoples, the reality is going to hit them on their faces because there is an epidemic of vasectomy and the time when abortion have been illegal more abortion have been done than when it has been legalized, and the population of European descendants are getting old. In a speech given by Barrack Obama he said that the USA was going to become a nation of mixed peoples and that situation is already taking place. Nobody can hold a bull by the horns


    Debunking a mythology like a religious mythology


    The Guardian newspaper published information several years ago that apparently look like new in the USA. It was known that Donald Trump was tax exempted for more than 30 years, and that he was going to run for the presidency, and he was a Democrat and he was one of his donors, and the Guardian indicated that the minority has always won the USA presidency and they control the power of the nation. The Guardian was better informed that the Washington Post, the New York Times and the 1/6 Committee. Donald Trump was always a Democrat and he changed for political convinience


    US Secret Service deleted messages from January 6. The 1/6 committee wants to show that Donald Trump was the only one involved


    Half of Americans believe there will be another US civil war in their lifetime and that the country will cease to be a democracy at some point

    33% of Trump voters in so-called red states say they’d personally fare better if their state “became an independent country,” according to a Yahoo/YouGov poll released on Friday. That compared with 29% who believe they’d be “worse off” after secession. The remaining 38% are either unsure or see themselves faring “about the same” in a newly independent state.
    92% of red-state Trump voters trust their state government more than the federal government to do “what’s best,”


    A minority controlling the majority for more than 250 years it is not a democracy, even more, during the last elections the electoral college ( a vestige of the slavery system ) have nominated several presidents and the majority of voters who prevailed have lost the election of their candidates.

    It is the dictatorship of one single party to lead similar to the Bolshevik vanguard party,( Jacobin conception ) there are not any ideological differences between both political parties ( Democratic and Republican ) and both represent the interest of the same social class, and in the time of wars, political repressions, and workers exploitation both party make alliances and enact reactionary laws against the workers contradicting the will of the so called peoples. Bourgeois democracy is only a legal ilusion

    A so called civil war would be the killing of workers against workers ( poor vs poor ) defending their own class enemy and defending capitalism and capitalist leaders, and secessions would be establishing of new separated capitalist republics to continue running capitalism and economic exploitation, and a parasite class will prevail. It would be the victory of the capitalist class and the loss of the working class.

    PS: Some socialists and communists parties ( socialists/communists in names only ) are celebrating the Bastille day, but that date is the national celebration of the French capitalist class


    If he is re-elected, Trump and his supporters plan purging thousands of civil servants and filling career posts with loyalists to him and his “America First” ideology.


    What are we to make of the ‘Grayzone’ journalists in the USA? Do they represent a little light in this ‘dark future’?


    Grayzone tends to follow the anti-American, anti-imperialist agenda.

    Rather than a plague on both houses, they can be viewed as taking sides.

    In the Ukraine war, they have strange bed-fellows, the isolationist America First followers

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