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Well, the branch wasn't 'refused' if the IC wanted to do something different with the account. Still not seeing a problem really. Get a different twitter handle.
However, I don't see what that has to do with anything.The bottom line seems to be:1) You asked IC to carry out a project2) They declinedMuch fuss about little.
For those of you who dabble in English:
My Evil Self wrote:It seems…Anyway,http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/forum/world-socialist-movement/twitter-and-reformism?page=2#comment-28190Would seem to substantiate that seeming.
So, Sanders has taken Michigan (in a surprise given the polling). Also, apparently on an increased (for a primary) turnout. Whatever we think of his actual policies, I think it is heartening that there is an expression of something other than free market individualism, and that his movement is going to have to be taken seriously. In office, I suspect he would be indistinguishable from Obama.Its interesting to see the racialised divisions in the US, as (I assume pro-Clinton) supporters keep on going on about his lack of connexion with African American voters, and how they don't respond to his 'class' narrative. In some senses, Michigan refutes that.As a side note, as a Jewish presidential candidate, he carried a largely Muslim district in Michigan, which does seem to tell against the myths of eternal racial antagonisms, and suggests that where they persist it is to the benefit of some.
ALB wrote:I don't suppose there are many Trotskyists today who envisage a gold-backed currency in the early stages of their so-called "transitional society" (i.e a state capitalism ruled by their vanguard party) but you never know. There might be a Trotskyist sect somewhere that still clings to this.I suppose this goes to that strain of 'Marxism' that about revealing the 'true' value of goods, as exposed in the form of Labor Vouchers normally.
Seems the count on the final seat has justy finished, and Labour has made it to seven TD's, which will give them rights as a technical group in the Dail.https://twitter.com/CiaraLeena/status/705306287005954048Think that result also will put FG on 50 seats.The Horse trading has begun.
The contrast with Spain is interesting:https://theconversation.com/just-a-reminder-that-spain-still-doesnt-have-a-government-55884After a similarly inconlusive election (where the Right party was largest but not a majority) they still have no government. There Podemos is playign the SInn Fein role, but the difference in Ireland is the two largest parties are of the right, and may be moving to coalition in a way that the So"Socialists" won't witht he People's Party in Spain. In Spain the Catalans are filling the Indpeendent space (and lets recall, Irelands indpendents tend to be ex-Party, usually FG or FF).Portugal remains headed by a minority government too.
Tim Kilgallon wrote:Then taking into account all you have said, why is their no account (hence accountability) from the IC as to why Cde Marratty (who has passed his speaker and candidate test) was turned down from taking over the official twitter account. I'm not saying I agree with or disagree with the decision, just saying I have no information about the reasoning for that decision and as such cannot hold the IC accountable for the correctness or otherwise of that decision. Do you see my point?Sorry, I meant to reply to this one over the weekend. Per:http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/forum/world-socialist-movement/twitter-account-worldsocialismcom?page=7#comment-30391It seems the IC had different plans for the account, and wanted a companion party to operate it. That has no reflection on Cde. Marratty, AFAICS, buit simply a different idea for how to use it.
Vin wrote:No you were not. The records are there. Telling me not to raise 'internal' matters in public. It was the reason given by the EC for refusing my re entry into the party. It was why I left the party in the first place, but by all means re write historyThe evidence of fifteen years of Spintcom files tells a different story (which I continued reading whilst outside the party), as do the files for the old WSM forum, whatever incident you're referring to, any interested enquirer will see that we have always been discussing internal p[arty matters on piblicly viewable forums.
Tim Kilgallon wrote:A person may be unsuitable for a particular kind of job, however the management of a twitter account is a fairly straightforward job that, in my opinion, is one that any technically competent member should be able to carry out.There I strongly disagree, the social media orperators should at least have passed the speaker's test. The operation of a social media account has possibilities for imediate and irrepasrable reputational harm.
Tim Kilgallon wrote:Just a very quick and very straight forward yes or no question YMS. Do you think that officers and committees of the party should be accountable for their actions?Yes. And I think they are.
Vin wrote:And that is down to meYou know well we could not have had this discussion when I first joined. My suspensions were basically for discussing 'internal matters on a public forum' (Jesus!) Now we are moving toward open criticism of each otherWe were having internal party discussions on publicly available forums long before you turned up. Spintcom and SPopen have always been publicly readable, and the old WSM Yahoo list was the scene of many a happy bust up. So, no, it isn't down to you.
Quote:To me if you are not reliable enough to be trusted with a twitter account, then you are not reliable enough to be trusted with a party membership, and I trust Vin's Socialist credibility.That doesn't follow, a person may well be a member, and a sound socialist, but be unsuitable for a particular kind of job, that's why we have elections, nominations and appointments.
There will always be some profitable lines of industry, but the problems come from seizing up the lines of credit. Primary accumulation can still occur (principly through mass bunkruptcy). Servicing mega slums (and reaping the benefits of falling wages). When servants become cheapr than new toys tech advance slows down.
This is interesting:http://socialisteconomicbulletin.blogspot.co.uk/2016/02/the-mystery-surrounding-productivity.html
Quote:n the UK productive capacity is being scrapped. This is not because there is no unsatisfied demand in the UK economy. On the contrary, there is both a scarcity of necessities, such as in housing and healthcare and other areas, as well as a large trade deficit. The productive capacity is being scrapped because its owners cannot make profits, or do not anticipate sufficient profits in a situation of growing competition and sluggish growth in consumption, for example in the steel industry. To survive and prosper, the owners of the UK steel industry would have to leap towards the front of global productivity or technical quality through very large scale investment and they are unwilling or unable to do so. A reduction in the stock of capital is one way in which capital can overcome declining profitability. Marx identified some of the others as increasing the working day, which is happening in the UK and US but not elsewhere. Other factors which can offset falling profitability are a reduction in the cost of capital goods (the means of production), a reduction of (real) wages, increasing the division of labour through the growth of foreign trade or by boosting profits through increased financial speculation.Socialist Economic Bulletin is Socialist Action, i.e. Ken Livingstone and friends, who are the group around Corbyn, so this is close to inhouse thinking of the Labour leadership (as suggested also by the bklog post that follows this one). The analysis seems sound, the issue is capital and profitability.
