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Evidences that Christians made use of ancient nyths about Osiris and Horus in creating the Jesus story? That is NOT evidence of Christianity in Egypt 3000 years before!
If you think that, then you are negating Kautsky’s materialist study of Christian origins in the social and economic landscape of the Roman Empire.The myths in question could indeed have been used by gospel writers in their fabrication of the Jesus story, just as they used the life of the Buddha to produce Balaam and Jehosaphat. But adapting myths to use for their stories is NOT the same as saying Christianity started in Egypt 3000 years earlier. That is preposterous.
Again, which period are we in? I thought we were discussing the origins of Christianity, not the age of colonialism, Atlantic slavery, etc? You are floating everywhere.
Have you ever been in a Coptic, Ethiopian, Nestorian, or Orthodox church? Have you lived in mountain monasteries?
You will see lots of Chinese Nestorian saints from before Marco Polo and lots of black saints in Ethiopia. Did you know there were black Nubian crusading knights during the Crusades, some of whom are saints? They fought as equals with the Latins of England and France.
I am sure you know a lot about the Caribbean and South America and about Spanish Catholic colonialism. But that is a thousand years or 1,500 years later than the era I thought this was about. The Roman Catholic Church didn’t exist until 1054, and Christianity was already nearly a thousand years old by then.
“I don’t care about dates.”
But dates are important, which is possibly why you are floating between vastly different centuries.
If Engels is wrong about the book of Revelation’s date, then he is wrong about Nero and the nonexistent Neronian persecution.
At least he would have told you that the Roman proletariat was not a working class. So would Kautsky.
Marxians’ desire to view the early Christians as political forebears is also highly dubious. One would also have to include other Jewish resistance groups of the time. Do we really want to?
One does no service to historical materialism by being confused about historical eras and making wide erroneous statements, which make a reader think we are anhistoricist conspiraloons.
Africanism can be as erroneous as Eurocentrism. Knowledge of history brings a correct perspective.
In the time of the Caesars the Jews and other people of the middle east were not black Africans. At one time long, long before, maybe.
The Romans had no concept of black and white. They didn’t think in this centuries-later European colonial way. The Romans enslaved people equally.
” So, the god of Israel told Joseph to take Jesus to Egypt, a place populated by African peoples. How was a white Jesus able to hide himself within a black population? Based on the narrative, Joseph, Mary and Jesus had to be black.”
Who said Jesus was white? He would have been a semite, like other Jews of the time. The population of Egypt wasn’t all black by that time. It was ruled by the Greek Ptolemy dynasty and was cosmopolitan.
” The white Europeans were not going to accept a black African god either, and they have always tried to undermine the contributions of the African peoples to world history.”
Do you mean the Romans? The Romans were not racist, and Rome had all religions represented, even Buddhism. Egyptian cults were welcome in Rome and the gods were viewed by the Romans as their own, with different names. The Romans sacrificed to regional gods when they travelled, and many Romans joined Asian and African cults.
The Christians did not come from Africa but from Galilee and Judaea, but they adopted into their religion Egyptian and other themes. All the themes in Christianity had antecedents in Egypt and Africa, and the religion very quickly established itself in north Africa and in Egypt.” the original Hebrews were black Africans; the ones living in Israel are white Europeans.”
We all come from Africa, but in prehistory. In historical times, the Hebrews came from the east, probably Babylonia, which would explain the Adam and Eve and Noah’s ark myths. Abraham was Ab Ram, the Hindu god Rama.
Yes, the modern Israelis are Europeans, but there are still Palestinians who are from the original Jews, and many oppose Israel.
