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” but he has since recognized and conceded the mainstream academic consensus that a historical preacher from Nazareth did walk the earth.Dawkins’ View on the Historical JesusAccepts a human teacher: Dawkins agrees that an itinerant Jewish preacher named Jesus lived in the first century and was eventually crucified.”
” Virtually all professional historians, whether Christian or atheist (such as prominent New Testament scholar Bart Ehrman), agree that Jesus was a historical figure.Mythicism minority: The idea that Jesus never existed at all is treated as a fringe theory by mainstream historians, which is why Dawkins faced criticism from both believers and secular historians for previously suggesting it was a serious academic debate.”
It’s the same case with the Roman persecution, for which also there is no evidence. Christianity continues to exert the acceptance, without evidence, of historical fictions, including over the minds of non-Christians.
Not to say there was no Jesus, only that there is no evidence of such a person at all. He thus stands in the same relation to Santa Claus, or Conan the Barbarian. I’m sure there were barbarians with the name Conan.
If scientific evidence for God came to light, we would have to accept it. Doesn’t history deserve the same consideration?
Christians were the biggest outright liars I have come across in history.
This included not only interpolating and inventing text, but in maligning with blatant falsehoods those whose ideas they loathed.
400 years after his natural death, Lucretius was said by St. Jerome to have killed himself through insanity. Why? Because Lucretius was a materialist thinker, and therefore must have been insane.“Thou shalt not bear false witness” indeed!
The scene that supporters of an “angry early Christianity” love is that of Jesus overthrowing the table in the temple. Anyone would think it was a church hall jumblesale!
The tables were enormous and the antechambers to the temple colossal. The space was unbelievable and choc a bloc full of people, and soldiers policing them. Not only would Jesus be unable to overthrow the table, he would have been seized on the spot.Muslims generally do not support or accept the Apostle Paul as an authority or prophet.
Islamic theology views Paul critically, holding him responsible for shifting the teachings of Jesus away from strict monotheism and adherence to Mosaic law.
The Quran does not mention Paul by name. While some classical exegetes linked a passing reference in Surah Ya-Sin to early messengers that may have included Paul, he holds no prophetic status.
Muslims believe Jesus preached strict submission to God (Islam) and the continuation of God’s law.
They contend that Paul dismantled the law and introduced theological shifts like the divinity of Jesus, original sin, and salvation through faith alone.
Modern Islamic polemicists and scholars frequently describe Paul as the person who fundamentally altered the original message of Jesus (Isa) to create modern church dogma.
Paul of Tarsus is not mentioned by name in the Quran or authentic Hadith. However, in mainstream Islamic thought and modern Muslim polemics, Paul is widely viewed as a critical figure who “hijacked” or altered the original, pure monotheistic message of Jesus (I
The “Corrupter”: Many classical and contemporary Muslim scholars hold that Paul shifted Christianity away from strict adherence to the Mosaic law and the strict human/prophetic nature of Jesus
Islamic teaching maintains that Jesus never claimed to be the Son of God or God incarnate. Critics argue Paul’s theology laid the groundwork for elevating Jesus’ status
Islam rejects the concept of original sin and vicarious atonement (that Jesus died on the cross for humanity’s sins). Paul’s heavy emphasis on the cross is seen as a contradiction of the direct accountability taught by previous prophets.
Apologists argue Paul introduced antinomianism—cancelling dietary laws, circumcision, and strict adherence to the Torah—which went against Jesus’ own teachings to uphold the law
Scholars agree that the Apostle Paul did write several foundational letters of the New Testament, but modern research shows he did not write all 13 epistles attributed to him, often used secretaries (amanuenses), and sometimes faced later pseudonymous additions or interpolations.
Most biblical scholars agree that Paul personally authored seven letters: Romans, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Philippians, 1 Thessalonians, and Philemon.
Six letters in the New Testament are widely considered by scholars to be pseudonymous (written by followers or later authors in Paul’s name) due to differences in style, vocabulary, and theology: Ephesians, Colossians, 2 Thessalonians, 11 and 2 Timothy (the Pastoral Epistles), Titus
There is a theologian who was a Jesuit father and left the vatican church.
He has extensively studied the Bible, and he has completely debunked the Old Testament; he said that everything is a myth, but his problem is that he believes that Jesus did exist as a rebel zealot and that Maria Magadlene, his partner, was the founder of Christianity.
He has also said that the letters of Paul should be indexed first in the New TestamentMy experience was different. I met very good, sincere, humane, respectful and honest people within the Catholic Church, and many of them were priests and nuns; with them I learned many things that were useful during my life. Probably they also made the same mistakes that we all did, which was to follow a mythology, but we were scientifically ignorant, and we accepted ideas without questioning them. Some of them besides being priests they were psychiatrists, medical doctors, sociologists, architects, and engineers and they never practiced their professions
I started to open my eyes when I started to study the natural sciences, pre medicine, materialism and Marxist theory, and I recognized that I was wrong, but I do not blame them either, they were also ignorant like me, and many of them worked with peasants and poor peoples in the poor neighborhood and young peoples, and some were members of the liberation theology and some went to jail and were persecuted and they lost everything and peoples loved them and still peoples love and remember them
With them I learned to love my parents and my family and my neighbors, and to love academic education, to be a bibliophile, and to behave properly and to have respect for other people; especially elderly people, we gave the sidewalks to elderly citizens, and loved poor people instead of rejecting them, in our time workers reject workers and love their own class enemies and there is not respect toward elderly workers
They treated us like we were their own children, the children that they never had, and the nuns were women dedicated to what they believed, and they were willing to give their lives for us, we were not abused, on the contrary, they protected us, and the director of my school was loved by everybody in the whole town, the town carry his names on different places, and buildings, he was against dictatorships and wars, he built more schools, free childcare centers, and free nursery homes and atheists loved and respected him, and he died in poverty along with the other priests, teachers and nuns. His salary was $20.00 a month and he never wanted to be a cardinal or a bishop, and they offered to him and he rejected
They were our friends, and we were their friends, our fathers and our advisers, an extension of our families, and the advisers of many families. With the development of capitalism, all traditional values have been lost, prefer to have those values than the actual social value that we have now, based on division, hate, racism, chaos, and rejection
I worked with them in the working-class neighborhood and learned about social and economic discrimination. Although I came from a middle-class family and my parents were businesspeople, I learned to suffer their own suffering; with them I learned theology and apologetics, and love for humanities, and to study the Bible, but those basics served me to do deeper research, and to learn that mankind created religion because it was the only progressive solution that they had. My stance is different to the secular atheists, and they hate all religious people; for me, they are human beings too
I have met worse people within the socialist/communist movement than within the religious movement and despite that I continued. My problem is not religion or the bible; or their mythologies, or their distortions, my problem is capitalism and the capitalist class, and we are going to have religious people within a socialist society, and they must be respected too
I respect the Amish and the Hutterites. Their societies are ready-made for socialism. Both societies are chronicled in books by John Hostetler, himself a man born into the Amish community. Socialism will respect these people and leave them in peace.
They are good, friendly and peaceful people, but their views regarding women are too backward.
They are not racists; as other people have said, I have passed through their communities, and everything is clean, peaceful and well organised.
I have learned online how to do food canning with them, but I have used modern cooking devices. They have online classes on agronomy
They have worked along with other people, including natives and black people; it is preferable to work wth them than with Christian nationalists.
They have adopted African American children. The only problem is that new members must learn to speak and write Dutch and German, and adapt to their rules, including styles of clothes and rejection of modern technology.
Their stores do not reject customers from other religions and other ethnic groups, as other Christian groups sometimes will do.
They build their own homes and grow their own food with other races and other ethnic groups, and they share their knowledge of trades such as carpentry, agriculture and masonry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quakers_in_Latin_America
Quakers in South America
Many Quakers in Bolivia and Peru are working along with indigenous peoples on communes and agriculture; they call themselves socialists.
Several Quaker communities lived along with US native.s
The secular atheists want them to be wiped out completely, which makes no difference to the white Christian nationalists regarding other ethnic groups; they are also peaceful people.
In a socialist society like the Amish, they must be respected too.
The Episcopal Church holds a much better social and political stance than the Catholics; the evangelicals support reactionary views like Bolsonaro in Brazil and the new reactionary president of Colombia and El Salvador.
Ironically, there is an organisation of atheist catholic priests; they have not renounced the priesthood
In Egypt and Canaan, the serpent was worshipped like a god; it was not a demon, and the concept of the devil was taken by the Jews from Persia. In Genesis, Jehovah defeated the Egyptians’ and Canaanites’ gods. Many passages in the bible are trying to avoid the defeat of the Hebrew god, which would have shown that it was not a very powerfull like the pagan gods, or the gods of the Gentiles. The whole thing about the paradise and the serpent is just a mythology
The ex-president of Colombia, Petro, said that Jesus had a female partner and that he was polygamist. That statement sparked major controversy within the Catholic Church. During the election, that catholic and protestant leaders preferred to support an atheist, who is the new president of Colombia and a supporter of Donald Trump. Lately, he changed his stance; he is saying that in one hand he is holding a rifle and in the other hand he is holding the Bible
And Genesis, Exodus, and all the books “of Moses” were written over by the later monotheist Jewish scribes eliminating the old polytheism of the Jews. But bits were missed, like “Elohim”, which is plural.
And Genesis, Exodus, and all the books “of Moses” were written over by the later monotheistic Jewish scribes, eliminating the old polytheism of the Jews. But bits were missed, like “Elohim”, which is plural.
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Elohim means gods. Most pagan gods had a wife ( or wives, like Zeus ), but the Hebrew god is single, and he is a man, showing the social mentality of the Hebrew scribes.
The Tainos had female gods; their personal names ended with female names, and they had women who were chiefs or caciques, and they called the earth Mother and the sun the father, and the continents had female names like Abya Ayala.
In the New Testament, Jesus used the expression Abba, which means father, but some scholars say that it means Mother and father; he never mentioned Javeh.
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