Ozymandias
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September 23, 2015 at 11:00 am in reply to: Are physical meetings the best form of democratic control in 2015? #114366
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ParticipantIsn't Facebook just a gigantic surveillance tool and a vacuum…the total antithesis of a "Social Network and a vast depository leading to nothing? This is what the mad songwriter Laurie Anderson has to say about it when she says "Capitalism is a Disaster for Human Relations". http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/sep/10/laurie-anderson-on-death
September 23, 2015 at 9:30 am in reply to: Are physical meetings the best form of democratic control in 2015? #114363Ozymandias
ParticipantYes of course you are right about the general level of cynicism out there. I just hope we can hold onto the Internet and keep it the way it is. Hopefully the net itself is just too vast to control?"The fact is overwhelmingly people haven't a clue of even the existence of the SPGB let alone what it stands for." Yes you are completely right about this as well. Mores the pity. I recently watched a crazy documentary on BBC4 about this middle class guy with too much money and time on his hands who went over to India to seek "enlightenment". The idiot ended up hanging about with these "Sadhu's" or so called "Holy men". Their behaviour is seen as normal and righteous in modern day semi-Feudal India but here in Europe these loons would be sectioned under the mental health act. At one point the camera panned to the sight of some crazy mad fuck who (in order to please the Gods) had decided to walk about with his right arm raised in the air all day long. Worse than that this silly cunt had been floating about like this for the past 40 years to the extent that you could see his arm was permanently locked in this position! Yet if only the party changed it's ways then this vegetable and some of the 30 million other Sadhu zombies might at some point be able to join the WSP in India.I also watched another show about Sikhism and "Partition" which was equally depressing. Whilst Sikh behaviour isn't perhaps as extreme as the Sadhu lunacy, clearly the Sikh sensibility is as consumed with hatred and loathing as the hearts and minds of paranoid Jews, vengeful Moslems and do-gooder Christian arseholes. I hate all of these cunts no matter which "faith" they adhere to because they subscribe to a belief system which dresses murder and torture up as "God's Love". Sick pathetic fucks the lot of them. I say fuck their pity, charity and "love". As a gay man I can tell you if these cunts had their way my life would be snuffed out. Pronto! Yet their leaders are the biggest kiddie fiddlers and whoremaisters walking. PLEASE!I guess the idea is that once these pedlars become members they'll soon see the error of their ways because there'll be plenty of "real" Socialists there to guide them so they can become fully fledged athiest members. NOPE! Such an enterprise would be a disaster for an organisation which is already dying on it's feet. I'm stating the obvious here in saying that you would immediately see mass resignations and cancellations of membership from genuine Socialists and if not that then the emergence of several splits and opposing camps within the WSM were these wankers ever to be admitted. Eventually you'd have a situation where the party would end up as a "Broad Church" with religious members outnumbering real Socialists. Religion is about one thing and one thing only no matter how they try to camouflage it…MONEY AND HATE. Well that's two things but you get me. I don't know who I hate more…religious cretins or lefties. It's not just your local Anglican arsepiece down the road were talking about here but every phony religious bastard of whatever hue. Do you seriously want these people spreading their poison within the realms of the SPGB/WSM? It's not as if there are throngs of sky pilots queueing up outside head office waiting to join. For me the whole thing smacks of desperation and a frustration that the party has made very little headway in the last century. I see the world as fully Capitalist in the way it is structurally organised but at the same time there are vast areas of the globe which are still stuck in a kind of Feudalism. There are billions whose lives exist in a moral and intellectual universe which is about 500 years behind the times. Surely the object would be to preserve the Party as a bastion of radical thinking, unsullied by any religious hocus pocus mania so that it can shine a light. The only torch of Socialism on Earth. A pilot light on a wee peep at the moment yes but expect the gas to be turned off once any of the faithful are admitted. Anyway rant over for now.PS Excuse my French but I love swearing. It just seems to add metaphysical weight to a sentence. HahaCheers Ray (Mr ANGER!!!)
September 22, 2015 at 9:00 pm in reply to: Are physical meetings the best form of democratic control in 2015? #114360Ozymandias
ParticipantI think the Internet is to blame for all of this. Not the Party. If it's not religion they're hooked on then hundreds of millions of workers are addicted to online porn, video games, sports, Faecesbook, twitter and all the rest of the shit. Fuck I spend hours on my iPhone every day. I'm addicted too. There's ever more blatantly nationalist/pro capitalist shit on the hundreds of channels on the telly. Never before in history have the masters been able to dish up so many distractions in the form of "entertainment" than now. I don't know if anyone on here is taking this into account. Arguably the net is actually making workers even more stupid, addicted and phobic than they already were. Yesterday I watched the first item on CH4 news which detailed the effect the Intermet is having on the brains of kids. The masters are catching them younger and younger these days because these weans of 3-5 years old are consumer monkey drones already. What the fuck are they going to be like as adults? Total epsilons?What astonishes me is how prescient Huxley and Orwell were. Their horrible vision is slowly coming true. The iPads are the tele-screens now. What really disappointed me was how the Zeitgeist Movement just seemed to shrivel away and die off. Was this because it was a phenomenon borne of the Internet? Similarly just look at how successfully the Capitalist Class completely extinguished and buried the Occupy Movement. I hope I'm totally wrong here but from what I can see the Capitalists are slowly but surely eclipsing the entire neutrality of the net leading to a situation eventually where the Internet will be their tool almost completely. Our masters would have nothing to worry about even if we didn't have the net because the workers I come into contact with every day are utterly clueless about the fact that we even live in a social system. They never ask questions. EVER EVER EVER!!! The fact is I would be in the same boat as them had both my parents not been party members. Their involvement is the only reason I ever joined (then left). From what I'm reading, party members are beating themselves up over an issue over which they have no control. What can a body of 350 mostly elderly people do? Clearly the WSM is dying out in the face of a collosal global pro capitalism entertainment behemoth.
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ParticipantWhat you mean total WSM membership is only 75? Oh shit. We've been living in some form or other of private property society for some 10,000 (?) years now plus we are brainwashed from day one of life into believing this is the only way of running things and all this allied with the fact that the 1% own every possible organ of the media makes me think there's no way out of this. I can't help it.
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ParticipantGlobal membership of WSM = 350(?)Average age of membership = 75 (?)= Atrophy…
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ParticipantIf you do get a hold of him gie him a copy of "Socialism or Your money Back " as a pressie. Doubt you'll get anywhere near him though. Good luck.
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Participant"Technology has created more jobs in the last 144 years than it has destroyed, Deloitte study finds."Is this true? I don't know enough about it.http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/technology-creates-more-jobs-than-it-destroys-10460880.html
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ParticipantWill Andrew Kliman's talk be filmed?
June 10, 2015 at 10:21 pm in reply to: Revolutionary potential in Britain & the first world. #111701Ozymandias
ParticipantWords fail me.
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ParticipantWell not so good now having read their Mainifesto with the usual list of "solutions" and demands. Still they say they are willing to discuss the "Transition".
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ParticipantHaha excellent. Never heard of this group. Don't know what it's all about. Presumably more and more of these groups will start popping up from nowhere. Hope so.
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ParticipantThis fuckin thing won't work. I can't even cut and paste a website address on here!
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ParticipantA better link to a "Lennonist" (?) movement called "Capitalism is Over (If you want it)". http://capitalismisover.commore and more of these groups now popping up from nowhere it seems including the Bangladeshi group I read about on here.
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ParticipantShit it didn't go through. I don't know how to upload an image on this thing.
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ParticipantI think it's about the only thing that cunt Lenin said that was right. It probably will take 500 years for workers to achieve class consciousness at the rate things are going.But he was wrong about Trades union consciousness because clearly they can no longer achieve even that.
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