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TM- Any chance that, for once in your life, you can answer a question? Would you agree with the simple proposition that the ruling elite are infinitely more class-conscious than the working class?
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I do not think that they are infinitely class-conscious. In a socialist society, they are going to lose their capitalist consciousness; they will be forced to go along with the interests of the working class, shape up or ship out.
They will be influenced to obtain workers’ consciousness, and social class will no longer exist; wage slavery will be eliminated by the working class, and the proletarian class will negate itself; probably they will have better enjoyment and less social pressure; capital is one of the enemies of the capitalist class.
They have lost their status as members of the capitalist class; they will become workers too, and the proletarian class will vanish, and money will lose its value of exchange; gold and silver will be used to manufacture cooking pots and electric wires, paper money can be recycled to print newspapers, toilet paper, and books, to avoid deforestation, and banks will become museums, as an ex minority force of power will not be able to overthrow the democracy of the majority.
Lenin and Leninists are saying that from socialism you can come back to capitalism, but how? You need a capitalist class first; you have to accumulate capital, and you need wage slaves; you need means of production. Probably, he was talking about going from state capitalism coming back to corporate capitalism, and it took place in Russia in 1989.
It would be like taking a candy from a child; I do not think that the majority of humans would have the desire to come back to capitalism, probably only a minor group of masochists
Religion will become a system of personal incumbency; priests are not going to have large power and influence in the new society. They are not going to dictate to women what they must do or not do with their bodies; we might have some religious people, but they would have the freedom to practice their own beliefs.
You can tell some proletarian workers that wealth is produced by them and that the rich class is parasitic, and they get offended because they do not know about the concept of capital and surplus value; even more, if you tell them that capital is unpaid labour, or legalised robbery, they will get offended. But personally, they know that somebody is making more money than them, but they have historically learned that it is something normal, and it is normal to have wars, economic exploitation and rich people all the time.
They have learned that history has been made by wars hero, kings, presidents, senators and charismatic individuals, but they do not know that history has been made by materialistic interests and that they are the real leaders. Individuals do not make history.
Some leftists are saying that history has been made by the people,( including salvador allende ) but the concept of the people is wrong too, because in every nation there are two materialistic interests in opposition, but they are nationalists like the members of the capitalist class.
How do we move away from those conceptions? By obtaining class consciousness and socialist consciousness, and socialist education, but class consciousness does not fall from the sky or from heaven; and we do not need a Moses to take us to the promised land; it must be obtained through political education, and that is the function of the socialist party to propagate socialist education within the working class, but we are not a vanguard party.
We have been around for one hundred years, but we have never asked the workers to become involved in reformist movements or interclass disputes ( but we support reforms beneficial for the working class temporarily ) like the left-wingers; they might be winning the game of membership, but the workers continue fighting for the same reforms as the social democratic groups.
If we become a reformist group, we might obtain thousands of members, and some reformist groups are losing members, and some reformist groups have died too; we can not compete about membership with the left-wingers; they will win the game, but they can not compete with us concerning real socialist conceptions; we will win the game; we have lost many members, and some have joined left-wing groups; are they obtaining better results? I do not think so; there are no shortcuts.
I have done my homework and window shopping, and I have not found anything better, and I have received invitations to join groups with larger membership and more resources, but I will not come back to my political past, and I know that probably I will not be able to see the future society; I do not get desperate or disappointed; Marx and Engels died, and they did not see it either, but they left a legacy.
With the war in Iran, most workers believe that it is a religious war and that the arabs have been in wars among themselves for hundreds of years (like the Lawrence of Arabia movie), but they do not know that economic materialists’ interests are the driving force for all wars, including the religious wars, and that the main problem is capitalism and the cause of wars is capitalism, and the Middle East holds one of the largest deposits of oil and gas; the same thought applies to Venezuela. Now the hysteria about communism and drug trafficking is gone because one sector of the capitalist class has obtained what they really wanted.
Warren Buffett famously stated, “There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning. It should be the opposite way.
The capitalist class has more class consciousness than the working class, and in some places, like the USA, they have physical and mental control of the working class; the American working class can not even tolerate the election of a social democrat, and in Europe it is very normal to have social democratic organisations; in Europe it is very normal for left-wing political parties to participate in the election; in the USA it is capital sin to be a communist, and workers hate communists; the capitalist class has an enormous influence in the minds of the working class, including those workers from other countries.
One or two capitalists are not the capitalist class; the capitalist class is a group of individuals who form a social class.
I have seen one or two individuals who are members of the capitalist class building a whole neighbourhood for their workers and providing medical coverage and building schools for them and their children, but they are members of the capitalist class, and they continued extracting surplus value from their workers.
Some of their children attend private schools with the sons and daughters of the working class, and some of them also became members of the working-class movement, and some rich people provided financing to certain left-wing groups, but despite that, they were members of the capitalist class; when their interests were in danger, they went against the movement.
Engels is one of the few capitalists who betrayed his own social class; most capitalists will not do that.
The capitalist class might be ideologically idealistic, but they know what their materialistic interests are
A social class is defined according to its relationship with the means of production. In the USA, everybody calls themselves middle class, and they are members of the proletarian class. When the capitalist crisis hits them hard, they make a line to apply for social benefits like any other member of the working class; therefore, they are totally confused. They do not know that they are members of the working class.
The expression: I am a member of the middle class, and you are a member of the working class ” is a totally false expression; it creates the conditions to keep some members of the working class outside of the struggle of the working-class movement. The class struggle has been ideologically eliminated, but in social reality, the class struggle has not been eliminated. You can tell any worker that he/she is a wage slave, and they get offended. We are fucked up
/This corrected version was sent to Adam Buick to be retransmitted to the MIA.
Tren de Aragua is another pretext for invasions and stealing oil and gas, and now the Cartel del Sol has vanished, according to the USA justice department and they were saying that Nicolas Maduro was the head of that organisation; as soon as they kidnapped him , the organisation disappeared from the face of the earth
https://www.chathamhouse.org/2026/03/trumps-shield-americas-coalition-destined-fail
The shield of America is the continuation of the Monroe Doctrine. Isolation at home and expansionism overseas. The same old crap to make profits from the sweat of the working class
The thieves and drug dealers united to steal natural resources among themselves, to exploit the peasants; within drug production, there is also economic exploitation.
To combat drug trafficking and communism, some of them have been part of the drug cartels; most presidents of Colombia have been related to the drug business
The new president of Colombia was a defence lawyer for several drug cartel leaders and money laundering cases, and he is part of the Shield of the Americas.
If you don’t think that Al Capone would like to be part of this world controlled by gangsters
The zombies believe everything
The Venezuelan oil infrastructure is so messed up that some oil corporations do not want to make any type of investment. The question is, where is all the money going? The USA is importing crude oil from Venezuela, but nobody knows where the money is being deposited; it is a mystery
People on the streets have been hit by cars because they are addicted to the so-called smartphone.
As a friend of mine says: Intelligent bombs, stupid pilot; human beings should be smarter than smartphones.
Couples are not talking to each other; they are talking to their smartphones.
Inside their homes, they spend all their time talking through a smartphone; there is no dialogue
TM
You should have a section on the SS to write articles every month
You are well-versed in Old English, classical history, classical literature, and primitive religions
I forgot; we did not mention the sect of the Essenes. Some historians have said that they had their own army, and others have said that John the Baptist and Jesus were members of that Jewish sect
https://www.abebooks.com/9780914441441/revolutionary-journalism-Felix-Martin-Isaac-0914441442/plp
I knew this man; he was a factory worker. He was a hillbilly; he had the accent of a hillbilly, the place where he grew up was known as Hell for certain. He said that they were free until they built a road and the police were allowed to enter his town.
He knew Karl Marx’s Capital better than any economist; he was a self-educated philosopher. We travelled to several places, and he was like a walking library.
He had class consciousness, and he knew that the real world power is the working class; and the real political power, he never followed any leader. He believed that workers should take the political power to transform society.
He was a military hero, and he returned his medals; he said that he was killing poor workers and peasants like him.
We were at a workers’ union meeting, and he said to everybody, ” Let’s close all factories and wait to see who the real leaders are, and everybody was making poops in their pants; they did not have the ball to make a general strike and go against their own exploiter
He was always saying that the members of the Sicilian Mafia were altar boys compared to the owners of the big corporation; it was a legalised mafia
He was ready for the future society
But the working class is not the same everywhere. I would say there is less class consciousness in places like Britain than there is in S. America and Africa, where the class struggle is more personal – as it was here in the days of the Chartists.
The poorest here in Britain are generally the most patriotic, reactionary, and punitive, and the most fawning and admiring of the bourgeoisie. Their communal sentiment is nationalism and pride in the military, macho, personality. The phenomenon of the autodidactic worker with his home library has mostly disappeared, and most people rely on the state for their education and on soundbite TV news programs and internet slop.—————————————————————–
The Chartists influenced the minds of the Caribbean workers, especially in Jamaica, Saint Thomas, and other islands where they speak English, and they took those ideas to other islands when the Puerto Rican sugar company was the main sugar producer, and they produced what is known as “Furfural “, and it was toxic.
The smoke from the sugar factories was toxic; it was called ‘Cachipa” or particles. It contaminated the atmosphere and produced lung diseases; most governments were controlled by that single corporation; it was a monopoly, and all the profits and capital owned by Paramount were made by those workers.
The Chartists were the ones who influenced the workers from the sugar plantations. Several workers’ union leaders were killed, and their slogan was: “Sugar, how bitter you are. ( Azúcar que amarga eres )
It was the slogan on their radio programs. It was bitter ( and sugar is sweet ) for them because they had to work many hours, and they received salaries of misery; they created cooperatives and their own grocery stores. Haitians lived in places known as “Bateyes”, and they were company towns; practically, they worked for free because they owed their salary to the grocery stores; they fed the workers to keep them alive; inside the plantation, their diet was water and sugar; they suffered diseases like diabetes and renal diseases ( CKDU ) or kidney failures
The writer who described that situation was killed; he wrote a novel titled Over, and the writer was Ramon Marrero Aristy. He was influenced by socialist ideas
https://ministeriodeeducacion.gob.do/docs/biblioteca-virtual/GwMA-over-ramon-marrero-aristypdf.pdfPuerto Rico also had a strong working-class movement, and they formed many cooperatives, and they worked in the sugar industry.
Government and politicians were scared of the workers, and several Leninist groups penetrated the workers’ unions; they became agitators, and several of them were killed, like Doctor Guido Gil; he asked workers to produce slowly as a new form of workers’ strikes ( El Paso de la tortuga ), the turtles strike.
https://diccionario.funglode.org/gil-diaz-guido/. He was not a corporate lawyer,
The world working class has a rich history,y but most workers at present are not aware of their own history; some workers, like in the USA, have their struggles based on electing leaders and fighting for leaders and fighting against each other, which does not provide class consciousness.
CDM – ‘Nobody was able to buy their class consciousness.’
Except, of course, the sons and daughters of the parasite class who have their class consciousness bought for them in ‘public’ schools.——————————————————————————-
I do not think you saw that process and the moment that it took place. Most sons and daughters of the ruling class in that moment and place did not attend public schools; they attended catholic schools, they attended La Salle Schools ( John Baptist de La Salle ) or Salesian Schools ( Saint Bosco’s schools), which had a better curriculum than public schools; other people attended the Episcopal schools. I am talking about people who over mature peoples, who worked in those professions.
I don’t alter other people’s translations or literary works. I was going to send it to Adam, and he can forward it to MIA, and they can do whatever they want.
My main objective is to increase the archive of Julius Martov in Spanish.
I have seen many errors in the articles and pamphlets published by the SPGB, and I do not make any changes or alterations.
I sent them to Adam, and he can do whatever he wants, and then I make the changes.If the MIA makes the proper changes, I will make my changes on WordPress.
We have sent several translations to them, and they want everything to be shown in the translations, and then I have made the corrections.
I just want to keep my sites as a blog of information.
I have translated for other groups, and I have sent them to them without making any alterations.
There are translations on World Socialism that were made by other groups, and they sent them to me, and I did not make any changes
