Citizenoftheworld
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You are making the same allegations propagated by the pro-China and the Maoists, so what is the difference?
We have been in China, and we know what the life of the workers is like, and they are still living in backward conditions
You are accusing the SPGB of materialism, but you are falling into the trap of bourgeois reformism
Chinese capitalism is working for the capitalist class, but capitalism all over the world is a backward economic system; it has already fulfilled its mission, including China
A so-called ceasefire proudly announced by Donald Trump, who claims that he has resolved eight world conflicts, we might need a microscope to look for them, because he has not resolved any; on the contrary, he has created more conflicts, but Israel continues killing more Palestinians
As this newspaper wrote in another message:
In 98 AD, the historian Tacitus, describing the devastation of Britain by the troops of Imperial Rome, wrote: “They make a desert and call it peace.” Nearly 2,000 years later, these bitter words apply to the brutal terms imposed upon the Palestinian population of Gaza by Israel and its imperialist patrons.
I do not think you understood the TWC message.
You are just taking one part where TWC is saying yes, that capitalism will alleviate poverty, in your own reformist point of view.
TWC said no based on the logic of capitalism, which is the logic or the coherent point of view of the socialist party.
Chinese capitalism will continue benefiting the Chinese capitalist class, which it has been doing for several decades, and will continue exploiting the Chinese capitalist class. Wage slavery is poverty, too
https://johnmenadue.com/post/2025/10/trumps-sham-peace-plan/
Trump’s sham peace plan
October 14, 2025There will be no peace in Gaza. Only the temporary absence of war.
There is no shortage of failed peace plans in occupied Palestine, all of them incorporating detailed phases and timelines, going back to the presidency of Jimmy Carter. They end the same way. Israel gets what it wants initially — in the latest case the release of the remaining Israeli hostages — while it ignores and violates every other phase until it resumes its attacks on the Palestinian people
Another conflict that is developing between the USA and Venezuela
Martov debunked the idea that sovietism was a universal conception, and still, several of those left communist groups are supporting that conception, and the concept of the vanguard party to lead; they might reject some Leninist conceptions, but in essence, they are Leninists.
Of all of them, the Internationalist Perspective is one of the best within the left communist tendencies
The Leninists turned the vanguard party to lead into a universal conception, and Lenin himself said that it was only applicable to the Russian reality
It is a similar situation to CLR James, who rejected the vanguard party to lead, and Hegel, but he never rejected Leninism and Trotskyism.
The MLPUSA rejected Stalinism, Maoism, Trotskyism and Hoxhaism, but they did not reject Leninism.
The main intention of the publication of this article is to show the correctness of the SPGB’s stand
Russia Could Deploy Oreshnik Missiles to Cuba as Response to Tomahawk Transfers
08.10.2025 19:43Russia could place the long-range Oreshnik missile system in Cuba, a move Moscow might use to respond to any U.S. decision to supply Tomahawk missiles to Ukraine, suggested Colonel Viktor Baranets, a commentator for the Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper.
Put the Gun to the US — Again
Baranets argued that Russia repeatedly warned the United States and NATO not to move closer to its borders. Stationing Oreshnik systems on Cuban soil, he wrote, would let Moscow “again put a gun to the fatty backside of the USA.” He also proposed that Moscow could restore not only an electronic-intelligence centre on the island but also bases for ground, naval, and air forces.
https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/164410-russia-may-deploy-oreshnik-to-cuba/
Confucianism isn’t really concerned with metaphysics. The Confucian rites are similar to the definition of rites in ancient Rome: about performance and the cementing of social cohesion.
Metaphysics and idealism are interconnected. Modern Materialism was born in England and Germany, but it started in Greece, and in some way, it influenced the Romans. It is out of the main topic
I am just repeating the phrase used by Enver Hoxha, who was trying to say that the so-called Mao Tse Tung thought was not materialistic, it was metaphysical and backward, and the so-called Mao Tse Tung thought became a religion to worship one individual like a god
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hoxha/works/imp_rev/imp_ch6.htm
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“…and sought to reproduce those conditions”?The 1960s saw the very opposite in China, with both production and education stalled for years, as the young were turned loose on the elderly in a rampage of state-orchestrated violence and murder.
Thomas_More
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And the close of the 1950s saw the biggest deliberately inflicted famine, combined with kill quotas, aimed at decimating the rural population.————————————————————————————-
That is totally correct. The Chinese capitalists need capital injections from Western and US investors, and it was part of the four modernisations after the coup against the Gang of Four.
Some Maoist groups said that the Chinese Revolution was given by Mao on a red carpet when Richard Nixon visited China
During the 1950=60 there was a great peasant resistance, and many peasants were killed and suffered famine
Those who have followed Chinese capitalism since the 1950s- 1960s know that it was the most difficult period for the Chinese workers and the Chinese students and youth
I don’t think L Bird followed that period during the controversy with Russia and Albania.
During that period, China went through a period of stagnation, which is the reason why the leaders looked for foreign investment.
The so-called Cultural Revolution was like following a Confucian religion; even more, Enver Hoxha said that Maoism was the modern Confucianism and brought China back to the old period.
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Citizenoftheworld wrote: “During the post-war boom, the USA had a much better standard of living within the framework of a capitalist society“.
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That’s precisely what the Chinese acknowledged about the USA in 1960 (high taxes, high government spending, high profits, wealthy workers), and sought to reproduce those conditions.———————————————————————————
Another distortion, the higher period of taxation in the US was during the administration of Roosevelt.
The Congress approved 85%, and there was great resistance from the capitalist class. And most of that surplus value was used to finance the war and to finance the superstructure, and to implement certain social democratic reforms like unemployment insurance, Social Security and workers’ compensation.
The Chinese should have known Marx’s conception of taxation, and you should know that too, and that the capitalist state is financed with surplus value.
There weren’t any wealthy workers; workers were able to buy certain home appliances, new cars, homes financed by the Veterans Administration, Federal Housing Administration and some neighbourhoods were built for war veterans. They were provided to pacify the workers. Many of those reforms have been reversed
Manufacturing production was expanded and applied to the war efforts. After that period, there was a small boom which lasted until 1970, and most factories were exported to China, India, Brazil and Vietnam, but workers were still wage slaves; they did not become wealthy.
That manufacturing expansion produced the importation of foreign workers for low-paying jobs and the creation of ethnic neighbourhoods, and part of that process was reversed through the so-called gentrification and the real estate boom
The expressions progressive and progressivism have different meanings, and the concept came from England, and it was also applicable to the USA by the so-called liberals thinkers, but it has nothing to do with socialism, as the leftists have applied it,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism.
Progressive means capitalist socialdemócrats reforms
It is like Lenin saying that state capitalism was beneficial for the working class. It was progressive for the Chinese in comparison with the despotic Asiatic mode of production, which Mao falsely called feudalism. ism
Chinese capitalists have not done anything that the US and European capitalists have not done, and still, they have not obtained the same level of capitalist development. And workers are still living in extreme poverty. During the post-war boom, the USA had a much better standard of living within the framework of a capitalist society.
TWC has published and compiled very real economic statistics and Marxist explanations about China vs other advanced capitalist nations; they are much better than those published by Richard Wolff, who is always praising the Chinese capitalist economy
In Chile, the right wing is going to defeat the left wing. The so-called Post fascism was only a tactic to obtain votes for Boric, and the leftist coalition did not obtain the majority of seats in the congress. The individual in charge of the army is a member of the central committee of the Communist Party, the same army used by Augusto Pinochet to overthrow Salvador Allende. The so-called Pink Tide is getting smaller. If they have a democratic election in Venezuela and Cuba, the right-wing will also defeat the left-wing
Chile 2025 elections: who’s running and what you need to know
A situation similar to this one can take place again. They continue borrowing money, they can replace the national currency with the US dollar, and the economic crisis will continue.
They have done that in other countries in Latin America, and poverty, unemployment, emigration, and economic crisis have continued.
The problem is capitalism. The left-wingers ( Trotskyists, Castroists, Gramscists) think that replacing the president with one of their own is the solution, but they have also been kicked out by the workers.
Like the prior left-wing and Peronist governments
The US is planning to extend a $20 billion loan to Argentina in support of President Javier Milei.
During his political campaign, he said that he was not going to increase the ‘national debt”, but he has borrowed more money from the IMF
Javier Milei deepens Argentina’s IMF debt trap with ‘emergency’ loan
