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Many secular atheists are as reactionary as the people that they reject; some want the death of religious leaders and churchgoers.
I do not think that it is correct, is the same case as the leftwingers who call poor fascists to the workers who do not vote for them and want them to be killed, or the assassination of political leaders.
Workers are not rightwingers or leftwingers; there is discontent around the whole world, but people do not know how to resolve their own problems
You have your point of view, and I have mine. I rest my case.
I do not care if they existed or did not exist; the point is why mankind created religion, and it was a very progressive idea at that time, because it was the only way to explain their own world.
I will not despise the churchgoers like most atheists do because they are human beings and they are members of the working class, and intellectuals are wage slaves too, like anybody else in this society
Paul did exist; she is wrong. The real historical fact is that he did not write most of his letters; he used a secretary or followers because he was sick. He is one of the few historical figures of the bible that did exist; he discriminated against women because it was the prevailing idea of that time in a society based on slavery.
The other fact is that he contradicts everything that was laid down by the primitive Christians, which was a working-class movement, and he lied about his encounter with Jesus because he never existed, and he never had a meeting with Jesus apostles because they did not exist either. He travelled to Rome because he was a Roman citizen, and he was not a jew; he was born in Syria, and he was a proselyte.
Most of the so-called historical figures of the Bible did not exist; Paul and David did exist. The Jewish Torah was written by different peoples; it was not written by Moses, who did not exist. There is no historical evidence in Egyptian history, and the Egyptians kept records of everything; it was a very advanced society.y
Genesis is an anti-scientific book, and the Exodus never took place; without that, everything else falls apart, including the promised land and the holy land, and the Ten Commandments were not given to Moses, and the so-called god never wrote them; they are backward laws written in a backward time where slavery was the prevailing mode of production, and many of those clauses existed within the Egyptian society, and the psalms were copied from the egyptian socciety.
I stick my gun to Frederick Engels and Karl Kausty, who wrote from the point of view of the Materialist conception of history. Most secular atheists are wrong; religion was created by human beings to explain their own world, and it was the only one to do that. In a socialist society, we are going to be able to see the real origin of religion, without any myth.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/keracher/1929/how-gods-made.htm.This is a very good explanation of the origin of gods, religion and prophets and how religion has been attached to a mode of production. It is based on the materialist conception of history. The SPGB pamphlet is perfect, and the preface written by Adam Buick is perfect too. T
The main thing is not whether a historical figure existed or did not exist; the question is why mankind created religion, and what was the mode of production that existed at that time.
The Indians believed in the spirit, but it was a society based on common possession and based on natural production, and Engels, Marx and Morgan described it pretty well, and the ethnological notebooks of Marx are good too
If you can read in Spanish or can use a digital translator, these people have debunked Paul completely, as well as the catholic church and the popes:
https://www.facebook.com/ateismoparacristianos/?locale=es_LA
For them, Paul suffered from epilepsy and syphilis, and he used hashish or opium to treat his diseases, and both produce hallucinations and addictions.
Another point is that the New Testament is backward; the letters of Paul should have been published first, because he never met Jesus ( and Jesus never existed). He created that lie, and the New Testament appeared later after Paul’s letters; he never met any of the apostles ( and they never existed ); therefore, he was just a liar.
He used the word bishops, but the bishops did not exist during the primitive Christians, which was like a working-class movement, and the primitive Christians existed before the New Testament.
The so-called writers of the Gospel never existed; the whole Bible, including the Torah, is based on false narratives, and Moses never wrote the Torah either; it was written by different individuals at different times
The early catholic church did not have a pope ( or father); they had a council of elders. Some historians considered that Linus was the first pope, and the primitive Christians had deacons, including women or deaconesses
I know that it never happened
The bible has too many anti-scientific myths, like Joshua stopping the rotation of the Earth or the sun, which would have been catastrophic. The Bible does not say that the Earth is a globe; it was flat for them, and it was an idea copied from other civilisations
The Roman Empire used crucifixion against its political opponents, and they were exposed to the public for several days until their lower extremities were fractured and people died from asphyxiation.
Jesus did not fulfil the so-called prophecies, as he stayed only a few hours on the cross and a few hours in the grave.
During that time, many people believed in reincarnation, and only the Pharisees believed in the resurrection.
According to the narratives, women were the first witnesses of his resurrection, and they were not included as apostles; most men ran away
There are many neighbourhood clubs which are not based on a profit motive. Softball is not as popular as baseball, but it is also a club sport without any profit motive. Baseball used to be a family and neighbourhood gathering sport, for chatting, and having some drinks and transmitted by AM Radio, and peoples seating in the sidewalks to listen to the broadcast
And yet mainstream academia, and even atheists, insist Jesus was a real person, with deniers called “a fringe.”
—————————————————–Most atheists do not know the real origin of religions; they do not know that it was a progressive creation of mankind to explain nature, life and society; it was not created to kill human beings and to conquer.
Jesus did not create any religion; Jesus was glorified by the writers of the New Testament ( Greek scriptures ) who did not exist. According to the narrative, he opposed the Roman Empire oligarchs and the religious leaders of his time; it is also the conclusion made by some followers of the so-called liberation theology ( wrongly called a Marxist tendency ) founded by Gustavo Gutierrez.
I have read his books, and he was not a Marxist; he influenced the Argentine priests who worked in the poor neighbourhoods and were killed when Francisco was the bishop of Buenos Aires, but they were not Marxist either
Human beings did not have physics, scientific medicine, biology and anthropology to explain the world; therefore, it was the only solution for them.
The concept of the devil was taken by the jews from the Persians, and the serpent was an Egyptian god.
If Moses existed, he was an African Egyptian, a gentile, and there are many blacks Africans who are jews too.
The whole bible is a spider web created by human beings’ imagination, as well as all the other so-called sacred books
It is like saying that the Jews are the chosen people of god; it is only mentioned in the Bible, and the writers of the bibles were Jews. It was a book written to give hope to the Jews tribes, and Jesus was not a messaic or a prophets, they were thousands of messiahs and prophets at that time from different places, including the Sumerians and the Chaldeans.
It has not been mentioned by any serious historian as an outside source, and there are no serious historian that have proven the existence of Jesus. Josephus was interpolated, and he did not mention Jesus; he mentioned the existence of the Christians, and in Rome there were many Christian sects and Christs. None of the Roman historians mentioned Jesus.
Before the Bible (the Torah) started to be written in Babylon, the belief was that the Egyptians were the chosen people, and it was also written by the Rosacrucian who wrote their own Genesis.
Another myth was written by the Rosacrucians, saying that Jesus was in a coma, and their doctors took him, and he left toward Kashemere with his mother, and he died in Kashemere. According to the Rosacrucians, he did not die on the cross or stauros.
If Jesus was a white man like many priests are saying and the pictures are showing him like a white man, how did he fit within the African Egyptians? Egypt was not completely a slave society, and it was a brilliant empire with sciences, architecture, philosophers and priests, and they were the founders of monotheism
If he ever existed, he was a Jewish zealot, and his apostles were jews zealots that opposed the Roman Empire. He was a peasant who did not know how to read and write like many people in that time, and carpenters were very poor people, and he had several brothers, andJoseph was his real father, and a married woman is not a virgin, and she died like any other human being; the asuncion was a myth created by the catholic church to accumulate profits
It has been proven that Jesus only existed as a myth; it is a product of human imagination. There is a book written by an expriest titled. Jesus 3000 years before Christ, which proves that Jesus is an Egyptian myth, an Egyptian god, and that he is the only historical figure that has ever existed.
The book The Bible Unearthed, written by a Hebrew anthropologist, proves that everything in the Bible did not take place and the personalities mentioned in the Bible did not exist. He denied the existence of Noah, Moses, the Exodus and Israel, and the apocalyptic was a type of literature that existed at that time, and instead of calamity, it provided hope. The writer ( John ) of the book Apocalipsis, as an apostle of Jesus, never existed, and neither one of his apostles; es, the cult ot his mother Mary is a creation of the Catholic Church
The Old Testament was written by jews priests to provide hope to the Hebrew peoples, but everything is a product of the human imagination and copied and adapted from different ancient world events. The Pentateuch ( The Torah ) was not written by Moses, and Joshua never existed.
Paul was only a liar; he never met Jesus, and he did not know anything about the gospel; he was a Herodian; that is the reason why he was killed, and everything that he wrote contradicts the New Testament.
Not all his letters were written by him, and he suffered from syphilis, and hashish was the medication that he was taking for the pain, which produced hallucinations.
Personally, I prefer the narratives of Federik Engels and Karl Kautsky. Christianity existed before the New Testament, and Paul existed before the New Testament too, and he did not know the Gospel; his letters contradict many ideas that were expressed in the New Testament
.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_Unearthed
