Animal torture increasingly popular.

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  • #266310
    Thomas_More
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    That is lovely, and we therefore agree. So you know that every animal, including us, does what s/he does. Imposing rank is a human fallacy which originates from human class society. It should have no place when discussing the natural world.

    #266311
    Thomas_More
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    I will always challenge speciesist language as reinforcing prejudices which need to be overthrown. Saying “inferior” is misleading as well as unnecessary, when “from other animals” suits the purpose. Furthermore “other animals” saves the energy of having to add another explanation.

    #266312
    Thomas_More
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    Marx and Engels were Victorians and used Victorian progressivist terminology, including describing pre-capitalist, pre-colonial societies as “barbarous.” That doesn’t mean we should do the same. Their writings are not “holy scriptures” and we are not learn-by-rote followers.

    #266313
    Bijou Drains
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    “Some animals can survive without their mother, and human beings need their mother for several years; some animals know how to feed themselves, and we depend on our parents for several years”

    I don’t think being able to survive without their mothers is necessarily a strength.

    Attachment Theory has its basis in the concept that the more cerebrally complex the creature is, the more likely it is that the animal will spend longer periods being dependent upon their mother or mother replacement.

    Generally, mammals have more complex brains that most other animals, and generally mammals with larger brains have longer periods of dependency on their mother/parents. This is because animals which have bigger brains need to get through the birth canal at an earlier stage of development, therefore they will spend longer periods between birth and maturity.

    If you consider for instance sheep. A lamb can walk within minutes of being born, it takes a human baby about a year after birth to reach that level of physical and cerebral development.

    Although the apologists for capitalism argue that competition and and aggression are the main springs of human nature, the reality is the opposite, competition and aggression are the exceptions not the rule. Nurture, compassion, cooperation, etc. are built into mammalian instinct and behaviour. We are all a product of on going nurture and cooperation. We have all survived due to long term cooperation and nurture. If we had not received the benefit of at least minimal nurture, care and cooperation, none of us would have survived infancy.

    Humans (in a similar way to other types of mammal behaviour) have evolved to instinctively respond to certain infant behaviours such as babies crying, infants making eye contact, proximity seeking behaviour, etc. I would argue that the traditional Socialist response to the “Human Nature” argument, i.e that humans are capable of a wide range of responses as result of various learning experiences (a kind of Skinnerian approach) is actually too weak.

    The reality is that, yes we learn from experiences as we grown, but the bedrock of our behaviours are from our inbuilt instinct to be cooperative, to nurture, to care. We also learn from our early years experiences to maximise the available care and support and also to care of and support others. Even despite the depredations of capitalism about 60-65% of children and adults demonstrate secure attachments and behaviours, whilst those who have insecure attachments often show high levels of preferences to cooperation, nurture and care.

    I would argue that rather than the traditional neutral stance on Human Nature, that we are able to learn to be socialists, I would argue that all of the evidence is that practically all human beings are actually a kind of naturally occuring proto socialist.

    #266314
    Thomas_More
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    Del.

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    #266316
    Ciudadano Del Mundo
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    I would argue that rather than the traditional neutral stance on Human Nature, that we can learn to be socialists, I would argue that all of the evidence is that practically all human beings are actually a kind of naturally occuring proto socialist.
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    You are using the concept of human beings, and that term is not scientifically correct; we are living entities, we are placental mammals, or living beings; human life is a religious concept. That has been one of the contradictions within the so-called pro-life movement, which thinks that an embryo or a fetus is a human being, and they confuse cellular impulses with heartbeats.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc0MtTvLJfc&t=525s. This video has subtitles in English. This biologist explains the difference between human life and life; he explains that we are placental mammals. Some doctors in that room did not know the difference

    #266317
    Ciudadano Del Mundo
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    The camel is a very old species that existed for millions of years in North America, and during the divisions of
    continents, it emigrated to other places on Earth, and now they are killing millions of camels for commercial use.

    Camels actually originated and evolved in North America over 40 million years ago, long before they appeared in Asia, Africa, or South America.

    The camel family (Camelidae) first appeared in North America around 40 to 44 million years ago as tiny, rabbit-sized or sheep-sized mammals. Diversity:

    Over millions of years, they grew larger and diversified into more than 20 different species across the continent, including gazelle-like runners (Stenomylus) and towering giants (Titanotylopus).

    Around 6 to 8 million years ago, some camel ancestors crossed the Bering Land Bridge into Asia (evolving into modern camels like the Bactrian and dromedary). Millions of years later, others migrated south into South America, becoming llamas and alpacas.

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    The last true North American camel genus, Camelops, roamed the western parts of the continent. They completely died out roughly 13,000 years ago due to severe climate shifts, droughts, and human hunting

    Some archaeologists have indicated that the domesticated camel did not exist in Canaan and Israel; they are saying that it is only a biblical fiction.

    #266318
    Ciudadano Del Mundo
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    Cats

    #266322
    Bijou Drains
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    I was using the term human being as a synonym for the animal Homo Sapien (or what sometimes referred to as Homo Sapien Sapien in older texts).

    The point I was making about the development of emotional attachment refers to all mammals not just placental mammals, so marsupial and monotremata. That’s why it’s called Mammalian Attachment

    #266324
    Ciudadano Del Mundo
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    I was using the term human being as a synonym for the animal Homo sapiens (or what is sometimes referred to as Homo sapiens sapiens in older texts).

    The point I was making about the development of emotional attachment refers to all mammals not just placental mammals, so marsupial and monotremata. That’s why it’s called Mammalian Attachment.

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    That is totally correct. A friend of mine, who is an anthropologist, says that we provide ‘human behaviours” to animals. I have been attached to animals since I was a child, and we were surrounded by different types of animals. My grandmother had a big backyard, and it was like a zoo, surrounded by a big garden, and we had fish ponds.

    I breed birds (I have a garden), and when they are mature, I let them fly. Sometimes they come back because they are attached to my place, and they know that they have shelter, food and water;r, some of them know me, and they trust me, and they eat from my hands.

    My son has two cats, and they know when he is arriving at the front door, and when he is not in the house, they get desperate. He has some kind of attraction to animals, and stray cats let him touch them. Some people hate the sound of the birds, but I love their sounds and singing; those are people who have lived a bitter life

    #266325
    Thomas_More
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    I see nothing wrong with the word human. It is the name of our species of ape.
    I don’t know why we add the word being to it. We don’t say feline being, canine being, simian being or gorilla being, do we?

    What I do object to are words such as humane, humanitarianism, etc , because they single out compassion and caring as specifically human traits, which is not the case.

    #266326
    Ciudadano Del Mundo
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    It is a religious term used to indicate that an embryo or a fetus is a ‘human being”. They believe that humans were created by a supernatural ‘being” who created ” human beings”

    It has been scientifically proven that creationism and theology ( religious apologetics) are false conceptions.

    The book of Genesis, which was not written by a ghost named Moses, is one of the most anti-scientific books written by humans or scribes.

    In Egypt, they have not found any evidence of Moses, and they used to keep records of everything

    At school, we spent two years trying intellectually to prove the existence of phantoms and ghosts and the lake of fires.

    They love fetuses, but they want children to be killed, and they do not care that more than 66,000 children are killed every day by capitalism.

    They do not care that millions of mothers are dying due to lack of medical services or capitalist war.s

    They carry a bible under their axilla like a deodorant.

    The Christian nationalists are saying that the genocide in Gaza is the killing of devils.

    If animals were religious, they would call many humans devils.

    They love to carry guns and collect guns; pastors are carrying pistols as they did during the time of the Wild West.

    #266378
    Ciudadano Del Mundo
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    https://secure.peta.org.uk/page/18675/action/1?locale=en-GB

    Millions of pigeons are dying

    Pigeons are very important for our ecological system; they produce fertiliser and spread seeds for vegetation

    We do not need fertiliser from petroleum or chemicals. Indians used what is known as Guano

    They are lovely birds. I have a pigeon loft, and they produce a lovely sound in the morning

    In Spain, they have very old Palomares, and in Colombia they are protected animals

    #266627
    Thomas_More
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    “Wild mustangs are a protected symbol of American freedom, but right now, the U.S. government is rounding them up by the thousands with helicopters — and quietly selling them for slaughter.”

    Source: Eko.

    #266635
    Ciudadano Del Mundo
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    Many people like to use the expression pets. They do not know that apes are our ancestors

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