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TN states – “This is what an ideological snowflake looks like. Yes, Gazprom makes a profit but the shareholders are the Russian people not a select group of capitalist investors.”
Sadly TN once again trips over his ill informed boot laces. Gazprom is jointly owned between the Russian State (approximately 51%) and individual and institutional shareholders. So TN and the clown from the video are incorrect when they say that the profits from use of natural resources in Russia are not used to increase the wealth of a select few.
What then about the 51% state owned part of Gazprom. TN’s lazy source cites Marx to support his argument regarding state capitalism, yet Engels wrote in 1880:
“But neither the conversion into joint stock companies nor into state property deprives the productive forces of their character as capital. In the case of joint-stock companies this is obvious. And the modern state, too, is only the organization with which bourgeois society provides itself in order to maintain the general external conditions of the capitalist mode of production against encroachments either by the workers or by individual capitalists. The modern state, whatever its form, is then the state of the capitalists, the ideal collective body of all the capitalists. The more productive forces it takes over as its property, the more it becomes the real collective body of the capitalists, the more citizens it exploits. The workers remain wage-earners, proletarians. The capitalist relationship isn’t abolished; it is rather pushed to the extreme. But at this extreme it is transformed into its opposite. State ownership of the productive forces is not the solution of the conflict, but it contains within itself the formal means, the key to the solution.”
So presumably TN considers Engels an ideological snowflake.
As to the Leninist concept of imperialism, which Johnny Mercer correctly analyses as follows “It almost requires a kind of conspiracy theory to suppose that capitalists give their workers more than their labour power in order to bribe them.”
When asked about how this bribe occurs and what the mechanism is by which the surplus value of third world workers is exploited by one capitalist enterprise (capitalist A) and a portion of it is consciously identified to be redistributed by western workers and then consciously distributed by other capitalist enterprises (capitalist B), Leninist supporters of this theory tend to fall silent.
Similarly when asked why on earth Capitalist A would give up part of their profits to support capitalist B, they either remain silent or try to explain that the invisible cabal that run the system want to ensure that western workers are getting a more wealth than they produce in order to keep them from turning revolutionary!
This leads to the question, why are the third world workers not likely to turn into revolutionaries as a result of their double exploitation, when western workers need to be bribed not to become revolutionary.
Of course the whole shaky edifice of Lenin’s theory of Imperialism is full of holes. I wouldn’t criticise TN re this, it is very clear he has never read anything by Marx, Engels, Lenin, Luxembourg, etc. As his replies on this forum shows, TN wallows and basks in his lack of knowledge and his scant grasp on Marxist theory, rather like a pig wallowing in its own shite.
TN – You have surpassed even your high standard of stupid comments, well done!!
The attempted coup d’etate arranged by Kornilov took place in August/September 1917 (new style/old style). The October revolution took place in (you’ve guessed it!) October (or November old style).
The supression of the consituent assembly took place in January 1918 and involved the supression of democratic parties, the vast majority of which opposed the continuation of the war. The armistice ending Russian involvement in the war took place on the 15th December BEFORE the overthrow of the Consituent Assembly.
Kornolov’s later involvement in the civil war had the stated aims of ending the Bolshevik regime, not to “end participation in WW1” Russian participation in WW1 had already ended.
With regards to your comments about the crack down on Russian speakers in the Ukraine, you will note I used the term “justification”, I didn’t say that the crackdown was real, it was just as imaginary as Stalin’s purge of Crimean Tatars. Over 2/3 of the Tatar men of military age were actually active in the Red Army at the time of the transportations,
TN – States “launch an unprovoked attack on Russian speaking Ukrainians.”
However according to TN (24-01-23 @ 12.45pm), ethnic cleansing of Crimean Tatars was “Necessary given the existential crisis unfolding at the time and the groups’ collaboration with the enemy.”
Exactly the same justification the Ukrainian government is using to explain their actions regarding ethnic Russians.
Presumably, TN thinks that the undemocratic overthrow of the Russian Constituent assembly in 1917-18 by the Bolshevik coup d’etat was justified, whilst the undemocratic Maidan revolution was not.
Yet more evidence of TN’s inconsistency and anti working class sentiment
True Narcisist’s replies –
“He has claimed to be a proponent of anti imperialism whilst clearly having no idea of the basic teachings of Lenin’s concept of imperialism.”
Expansion of capital, yada, yada.
“He has claimed to be a Marxist,”
Erm, never have.
“but demonstrates no understanding of the ideas of class struggle”
Don’t need to be a Marxist for that though I’m sure it helps.
“the Labour Theory of Value”
Value created through human effort, yada, yada.
“or the idea of historical materialism.”
Class based societies, yada, yada.”
Thanks for confirming what we already know, that you are an ill informed poseur, a sheep in wolf’s clothing.
The difficulty True Narcissist has is that he views opposing the Authoritarian regime in Ukraine makes him an anti fascist, despite the fact that the regime he supports, Putin’s Russia has very similar characteristics to the ones he stylises as fascist.
In a similar way he claims that he opposes the vile policies and practices of the Hitlerian regime, whilst he supports and idolises the policies and practice of Stalin’s regime.
So to TN the ethnic cleansing and oppressive policies against Russians in the Ukraine are Nazi abominations which should result in soldiers of that army being “turned into fertiliser”, yet for example the expulsion of the Volga Germans, the expulsion of the Crimean Tatars, etc. is to be lauded as the act of solidarity to the Socialist State.
TN appears to have learned a few “revolutionary phrases” and repeats them ad nauseam, without any real understanding of the ideas and concepts he claims to follow.
He has claimed to be a proponent of anti imperialism whilst clearly having no idea of the basic teachings of Lenin’s concept of imperialism. He has claimed to be a Marxist, but demonstrates no understanding of the ideas of class struggle, the Labour Theory of Value or the idea of historical materialism. He doesn’t seem to know if it’s Pancake Tuesday or Sheffield Wednesday.
I’m sure there is a community in some village somewhere who are desperately carrying out search parties because their village idiot has gone AWOL. Put their minds at rest, TN, give them a call and let them know you’re safe and sound. There’s a good lad.
True Narcissist- “More than any flake on this website that’s for sure.”
TN demonstrates again his ability to marshal facts, provide high quality supportive arguments and never just relies on truth by assertion (irony alert for TN as I know he struggles with that concept)
As demonstrated frequently on this forum, TN is a truly stupid person. The trouble with truly stupid people is they are generally too stupid to realise just how stupid they are and how stupid they make themselves look.
TN – “Lol, by a “climate change activist” with no actual knowledge of Russia or its people.”
And you of course do 😂😂😂
I was talking to a mate and ex colleague who worked at a very high level within one of the local health trusts and his take was that the biggest problem that the NHS faces in terms of costs and staffing, is the huge cost and labour involved in managing the ludicrous “internal market” system.
For example you have some of the Health Trusts setting themselves up in the vehicle hire business, buying ambulances and other related vehicles and hiring them to other health trusts making “profit” for their own health trust.
Another example is the high number of highly paid data analysts who spend their time working out ways they can cross charge other health trust and Local Authorities for the services they have provided.
As in effect the “profit” and the “savings” are made by one part of the public purse taking from another part of the public purse, with the “loss” coming from another part of the public purse.
The whole set up is analogous to the whole capitalist market system, which the free marketeers claim is is highly efficient, whereas the reality is very different.
“He published his PhD thesis on Marxism and international law as a book in 2005.”
Wonder how many copies that sold. I bet it was flying off the shelves.
True Narcissist- “You keep doing this. Calling the match at the half time whistle while one team has half a dozen red cards.”
Your phraseology betrays you. You clearly know as much about football as you know about Marxism.
I wonder which soccerball franchise you want to win the conference and then go into the soccerbowl final. Maybe the Manchester Red United Devils or maybe the Liverpooler City Cowboys 😂😂😂😂😂😂
BD “Hey TN – Russia is offering their troops new incentives, free sperm bank storage, allowing them to have children if they are killed or maimed during the “Special Military Operation (now described as a war by Mr V Putin esq).”
TN “Described as a war now, is it? I missed the memo. You have a copy?”
Putin – ““Our goal is not to spin the flywheel of military conflict, but, on the contrary, to end this war,” comment was made by your hero after attending a State Council meeting on youth policy on 22nd December.
Of course you have stated that it not a war, I can only presume that as Putin is now referring to it as a war, things have not gone as planned by the Russian Capitalist state in struggle with the Ukrainian Capitalist state.
