Streets protests in the USA

July 2020 Forums General discussion Streets protests in the USA

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  • #203394
    alanjjohnstone
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    Our standard analysis is that the police are part of the coercive structure of the State but as socialism grows, just like many other workers, they will become disaffected with the system and side with the revolution.

    We see in the us a polarised effect. Them and Us. But glimpses and glimmers of hope shine through.

    Already referred to was n Flint, Michigan, where Sheriff Chris Swanson joined the protest last weekend, saying he wanted it to be a “parade not a protest”.

    In Newark, New Jersey  protest ended without any arrests. “The police showed an uncanny level of restraint. They did not come downtown with tanks and body armor.”

    In Camden, New Jersey, the police chief, Joe Wysocki, and  other police officers marched with protesters

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/02/police-marching-with-protesters-george-floyd-reform

     

    #203395
    ALB
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    Very interesting. Confirmation of our view that not “All Coppers Are Bastards” which is the view of anarchoid groups like Antifa but are workers with much the same  views as other workers.

    Incidentally, I once stayed in Camden for a few weeks when one of my brothers was living and working there. It is virtually a suburb of Philadelphia which is on the opposite side of the river that marks the border between Pennsylvania and New Jersey.

     

     

    #203396
    alanjjohnstone
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    For sure, I am not saying that the overwhelming number of police are sympathetic to the protests, their loyalty remains first to themselves in an act of group self-preservation and then secondly to the authorities that pay their wages.

    One thing to note that those who normally denounce the power of unions and organised workers never criticise the police unions who wield enormous influence and rarely in the interests of justice.

    But another example, this time of the National Guard in Tennessee exhibiting their support for the protests by laying down their riot shields.

    https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/2020/06/01/watch-tennessee-national-guard-lays-down-shields-protesters-request/5313923002/

    We will only get such gestures when protests remain peaceful and are not perceived as a threat to the safety of law enforcement. For those “warriors” who think they can fight the police, they are sadly mistaken because they are up against militarised police departments. And if that is not enough, troops from the 82nd Airborne Division have been moved from their base in Fort Bragg, North Carolina, to the outskirts of Washington, DC, according to multiple reports from unnamed Defense Department officials.
    Around 700 members of the 82nd are now poised at Joint Base Andrews in Maryland and Fort Belvoir in Virginia, the Associated Press reports. Joint Base Andrews is where Air Force One takes off when the president goes on trips and is minutes from the White House, just outside the boundary of the capital. Washington DC is the one jurisdiction where Trump can deploy troops without needing approval from a governor.

    In addition, 1,400 more soldiers are ready to be mobilized within an hour, AP writes, according to two Defense Department officials, who are not named.
    The soldiers are armed and have riot gear, and they also have bayonets

    Another bright sign. We are used to clapping for the NHS, now American hospital staff clap in solidarity with the protesters

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/healthcare-workers-show-support-to-protesters-in-new-york-city/ar-BB14W6WG

    #203400
    alanjjohnstone
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    #203401
    marcos
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    There is a city in the USA where the police and the military put down their shields and their weapons and took sides with the protestors, and there were some white men who kneel down and ask for forgiveness to the black peoples and the protesters  as some war  veterans did with the American natives

    #203402
    marcos
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    Some Anarchists groups want all policemen and military men and women to be killed. Some Leninists groups killed poor policemen in order to take their guns to be used for the so-called people’s revolution

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    #203415
    marcos
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    The US secretary of the defence does not agree with the use of the military to suppress and shoot against the protesters, therefore, he has contradicted his own boss which is the president of the US. In a real socialist revolution, we can have many surprises in regard to the police  and the military, they might take sides with the workers because they are workers too, but some extremists want all the police and military peoples to be killed, many militaries are unexperienced young peoples who have joined the army in order to have a job like anybody else and they must obey orders, in the same way, that workers must obey orders at the point of production or the assembly line or an office

     

     

    • This reply was modified 1 month, 1 week ago by marcos.
    #203416
    marcos
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    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/03/george-floyd-mark-esper-opposes-trump-threat-deploy-military

    During the 1965 revolt in the Dominican Republic, one sector of the militaries took sides with the peoples and the workers from the poor neighbourhoods, and they fought along with them, and one General known as Alberto Caamano became the president in the middle of the revolt, and then he returned thru an invasion in Playas Caracoles and he was executed, in the same way, that they executed Manolo Tavares

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    #203436
    alanjjohnstone
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    As Trump Threatens to Send Military Into Cities, Some GIs Refuse to Comply

    Certainly it is an account of only isolated individuals but from acorns grow mighty oaks

    #203437
    alanjjohnstone
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    Reminds me of those who seek to abolish war but without abolishing the reasons why wars happen

    #203440
    alanjjohnstone
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    Community policing?

    In Minneapolis, 92 percent of police officers do not live in the city, but come in from other places, including from out of state. And additional state troopers and National Guardsmen have also been called in from outside Minneapolis.

    NYPD, the numbers are  62 percent of all police officers live inside the city limits—but only 45 percent of white officers do.

    Nationally, among the 75 cities with the largest police departments, only 35 percent of officers live in the cities they police.

    Derek Chauvin who killed George Floyd keeps a house in Florida and has voted in Florida in the last two federal elections.

    The Police Are The Out-Of-Towners Provoking Violence

    #203442
    ALB
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    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/03/george-floyd-mark-esper-opposes-trump-threat-deploy-military

    I wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that there are a disproportionately large number of blacks in the US army. Of course they are trained to obey orders and would do so but that wouldn’t change how they might feel in private.

    #203443
    james19
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    AJ not come across that video, thanks

    Oh, listening to it, then reading your comment. Very disappointing.

    There’s one video I didn’t watch but what the woman said…..

    Powerful Words from Tamika Mallory

    “America has looted Black people! America looted the Native Americans when they first came here, so looting is what you do. We learned it from you”

     

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    #203445
    ALB
    Participant

    It seems to be a case of Chauvin by name and Chauvin by nature:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Chauvin

    #203451
    Young Master Smeet
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    Paul Mason makes the interesting point, after last night’s letters from the military top brass, that the police may be the bigger threat than the military:

    https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1268539086702358530

    It’s worth bearing in mind, Pinochet’s lot had to assassinate the chief of staff and remove another constitutionalist general before they could get him into position.

     

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