The coming world war.

May 2024 Forums General discussion The coming world war.

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  • #251627
    Thomas_More
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    #251630
    ALB
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    I think you missed out the question mark.

    #251632
    Thomas_More
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    ” I think you missed out the question mark.”

    I really don’t see how the rival capitalist blocs can pull back at this point without ‘loss of face.’

    #251635
    ALB
    Keymaster

    You keep saying that but never take any notice of replies trying to assure you that the end of the world is not nigh.

    #251639
    Thomas_More
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    What makes you so sure?

    #251642
    Ozymandias
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    You think the Capitalist Class are going to destroy their own playground & the Golden Goose that goes along with it?

    #251644
    Thomas_More
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    Are you saying they control their own system?
    It controls them.

    • This reply was modified 1 month, 1 week ago by Thomas_More.
    #251646
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Neither the capitalist class nor any government can control how the capitalist economy operates. But the one thing that governments do control is the use of armed force. So, yes, it can be said that governments can control whether or not to go to war.

    #251647
    Thomas_More
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    But using the present Iran/Israel crisis as an example: no government wants to ‘lose face’, either to rival states nor to their own electorates. So both sides are compelled to retaliate and thus escalate.

    #251648

    Face is a matter of propaganda: Iran and it’s proponents are lauding the missile attack, saying it was a strategic stroke of genius, Israel says they shot down all the missiles and proved Iran powerless: sometimes you have to take the L, we saw this through the cold war: they will fight, they will devastate countries and kills thousands upon thousands, but will avoid total war if they can: the memory of Britain losing its Empire through fighting Germany lingers.

    #251649
    Thomas_More
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    “…if they can …”

    But can they, now?

    #251650
    Lizzie45
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    You will henceforth be known as Theophilus Moore, after the originator of that well-known astrological almanac.

    #251689
    ALB
    Keymaster

    ”But using the present Iran/Israel crisis as an example: no government wants to ‘lose face’, either to rival states nor to their own electorates. So both sides are compelled to retaliate and thus escalate.”

    If I dare raise my head above the parapet for a moment, it looks as if Th. Moore’s example is showing the opposite to his conclusion. Two states in conflict can both save face and so avoid war if they don’t want one (as neither they or anyone else want).

    I could be wrong of course. We’ll see.

    #251690
    Lizzie45
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    I could be wrong of course.

    Probably not on this occasion.

    Israel’s limited strike in Isfahan could rid Iran of the need to retaliate.

    https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/2024-04-19/ty-article/.premium/israels-limited-strike-in-isfahan-could-rid-iran-of-the-need-to-retaliate/0000018e-f534-daad-a3de-ff3f98be0000

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