Iran tensions

March 2024 Forums General discussion Iran tensions

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  • #192785
    Anonymous
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    Some sources had indicated that the aeroplane got fire before being shut down by a missile and the aeroplane was returning to the airport

    #192801
    Anonymous
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    #192802
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    “The plane was shot down deliberately to exert additional pressure on Iran from the United States during the alleged acute phase of the crisis between Iran and the United States, which had a chance to develop into an open regional war. In the framework of this version, it could be suspected that the operator may have been recruited by US intelligence or blackmailed, or the system was captured in an act of sabotage by the US or its affiliated forces.”

    Occam’s razor, Marcos, Occam’s razor

    The most likely explanation for an event is usually the simplest explanation. In the fog of war, tragic mistakes happen due to human error.

     

     

    #192804
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Makes you wonder what would happen if one of the nuclear armed states made a similar mistake at a time of high tension. Eg India v Pakistan or Israel or North Korea.

    #192805
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Globalresearch.ca is a well known conspiracist website.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky#Centre_for_Research_on_Globalization

    However, one wonders how the person who posted the online video of the missile strike could have known when and what exactly to film without some prior knowledge…

    #192806
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Just as the police do when investigating a crime, all the CCTV security/traffic control cameras are checked. Then it is re-edited to highlight only the relevant portion of the video.

    The new surveillance footage obtained by The Associated Press showing the missile fire was filmed off a monitor by a mobile phone.

    https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/national/international/story/2020/jan/16/video-20-seconds-terror-between-missiles/513125/

    #192811
    Bijou Drains
    Participant

    Cock up over conspiracy every time for me, the conspiracy is usually brought about to cover the cock up!

    With regard to the the video, the sheer amount of stuff being videoed by people these days, I’d be more surprised if there wasn’t a video

    #192812
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Occam razor is a mental theological model which can not be applied to all circumstances, and most lawyers do not apply it in a court of law. Global research might be a website of conspiracies theory, but there was an indication that the pilot said that they had a mechanical problem and they were returning to the airport and J Barnet who is an expert in aeronautic and on the 737-800 said that those aircraft were going to start to have mechanical problems in 2018. The pictures published on the news media have been edited. That the USA shut down the aircraft, I would not doubt it,  they have done it  before like they shut down the aircraft from Cubana de Aviacion,

    #192813
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    The Iranians must be very devious indeed to accept culpability for the dastardly deed of the Americans so to avoid a full blown war and then will have to  collaborate in what will be a complicate cover-up with Ukraine and all the governments of whose nationals were killed.

    And of course the Americans must be very confident that their secret agents can maintain their silence since those involved in the missile unit have been identified and no doubt undergoing questioning on the second by second account of what took place.

    But i’m probably one of the very few these days who accepts that LHO shot JFK.

    As for ALB’s observation, I think we have been there already.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/the-russian-man-who-saved-the-world-in-1983-has-died-2017-9

    “…on Sept. 26, 1983, when an alarm went off, signaling the launch of several U.S. intercontinental ballistic missiles. The 44-year-old lieutenant colonel had to quickly determine whether the attack was real. He chose to consider it a false alarm, which it was…”

     

    #192815
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Alan Johnston:

    1) What you have written now, it is closer to what really happened in Iran with the  aircraft

    2) Up to now they have not published the name, (s)  or the sources of the real killer of JFK and his brother, and the real killers of Luther King and Malcom X. Donald Trump was going to publish all the documentation regarding Kennedy assassination  and he was not allowed to do that

    3) About that Soviet colonel, he is not the only one. Noam Chomsky has indicated that for several times mankind has been close to extinction due to atomic wars.

    4) The aircraft which was shut down in Queens, NY it is also a cover-up, it was shut down by a missile, and most of the passenger were Dominicans and several Leninists organization have published their own investigation

     

    #193407
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster
    #193409
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    After the tragedy of Iran’s air defences shooting down a civilian passenger jet, one would imagine the world would be ensuring similar incidents don’t happen again.

    Yet where is the condemnation of the Israeli air force that apparently used the cover of an Iranian jet airliner for an attack on targets in Syria and the Airbus had to take evasive measures to avoid Syrian anti-aircraft fire.

    #193411
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    They can do whatever they want and everybody keep their mouth shut

    #199552
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Even during  a pandemic the threat of war rarely disappears with Trump telling his navy to blow Iranians out of the water.

    https://news.sky.com/story/trump-us-will-shoot-iranian-gunboats-out-of-the-water-11977339

    And in the South China Sea oil fields

    https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/3080850/two-us-warships-south-china-sea-during-china-Malaysia

     

    #205428
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    We should not overlook that the continued sanctions against Iran are still taking a heavy toll on its people.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-food-imports-insight/iran-struggles-to-buy-food-in-a-world-wary-of-touching-its-money-idUSKCN24V0NO

    Despite food and medical  supplies being exempt from sanctions, banks and governments are reluctant to transfer or take Iranian money because they fear unwittingly breaching the complex U.S. restrictions, according to five trade and finance sources.

    Iran’s central bank (CBI) has been unable to transfer the billions of dollars worth of oil export cash it had built up between 2016 and 2018.

    That money was accumulated in bank accounts in countries that Iran sold oil to, especially in Asia, with its biggest customers including South Korea and Japan, in the years after Iran signed the nuclear accord with world powers, but before the Trump administration withdrew and reimposed sanctions in 2018.

    The funds were frozen when the sanctions, which target the CBI as well as dollar transactions with Iranian entities, were reintroduced. As a result, international banks and their governments – whom they seek clearance from – are wary of allowing funds to be released without specific authorisation from Washington for each transfer. South Korean and Japanese authorities have declined cash transfers to Switzerland by the CBI without specific U.S. approval, according to the sources, who declined to be named due to the sensitivity of the matter.

    The blockage illustrates how the complexity of U.S. sanctions has made many banks, companies and countries wary of doing any business with Iran, even when exemptions exist, because breaches can involve huge financial penalties and being effectively shut out of the crucial U.S. financial system. Major international trading houses were also ready to supply Iran with agricultural commodities under the scheme, but only when they were certain transactions were free of any sanctions risk.

    “The big trading houses will only work inside a formal U.S.-approved payment system,” one European grain trader said.

    Iran was Brazil’s second-biggest buyer of corn in 2019, but in January to June its imports from the country slid to around 339,000 tonnes from 2.3 million tonnes a year ago, according to Brazilian government data. Brazilian sellers are  struggling to find international banks willing to process the transactions because of perceived sanctions risk. Iran pays $10 per tonne more than other buyers to compensate for payment and logistical challenges

    The impact has also been felt in other areas, with many foreign shipping companies and insurers are unwilling to provide vessels or cover for voyages, even for approved commerce.

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