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June 21, 2019 at 4:37 pm #188327AnonymousInactiveJune 21, 2019 at 5:13 pm #188329
I found this interesting in what we know and what we don’t know about the holed oil tankers
Our own SOYMB blog has already posted on this new guidance document for the US military on the use of nuclear weapons.
https://socialismoryourmoneyback.blogspot.com/2019/06/nuke-em.htmlJune 21, 2019 at 5:58 pm #188330
Some legal arguments that might help you in debate with the war-mongersJune 22, 2019 at 6:38 am #188346AnonymousInactive
Redacted Tonight, Lee Camp:June 23, 2019 at 11:12 pm #188405AnonymousInactive
It is not the same thing to launch an invasion against Iran than to launch an invasion against Iraq which was practically disarmed, and the generals made an agreement with the USA to surrender, and to receive permanent residence and immunity in the USA.
This time the USA did not have a secretary like in prior occasions, the USA has never won any war without a secretary.
Donald Trump said that he was avoiding the death of 150 peoples, but the embargo against Iran has produced the death of thousands of Iranians, like the embargo of North Korea, Iraq, Venezuela, and Cuba have killed thousands of human beings.
It is all hypocrisy and pre-election rhetoric, or electoral campaignJune 24, 2019 at 1:41 am #188406
One thing to always remember…even if Iraq had possessed WMDs, we would still have opposed the war.
Even if Iran is proven to be conducting sabotage actions against oil tankers, and is covertly building nuclear weapons, we would still be opposing any US attack.
UN approval or non-approval is irrelevant to us
But let us be magnanimous and give credit where credit is due, regardless of his real motives, it appears that Trump, always the maverick, went against the recommendations of his vice-president, Pence and two secretary of states, Pompeo and Bolton.
Why? I have no idea, who can read into Trump’s irrational mind, …but at least for now war has been averted or postponed.
But something that struck me and that has been the total silence of Netanyahu, unlike the very vocal Saudi belligerence. Because of Mossad involvement, or merely not seeking to muddy the waters with a Zionist diversion, or not to provoke a proxy war with Hezbollah, I don’t know, but in the end it is also another small thing to be grateful for.
On the news I keep seeing how US air superiority is unassailable but where did the drone take off from…the UAE. Where is the US 5th fleet based, Bahrain, with a strong presence of Sh-ites who are already discontented. Along with Saudi Arabia targets I believe all within range of Iranian rockets…the war would spread.June 24, 2019 at 6:19 am #188408AnonymousInactive
War is not produced or stopped by one individual, and war is not produced by coincidence. war is produced by the conflicts of the capitalist market. War in the Middle East against Iran could have spread to the whole region like a brush fire and would have created catastrophic economic consequences in the region, and it would have spread thru the whole region, and probably the USA would be forced to emit the draft again like during the Vietnam war, they do not have so much armed personnel to carry so many wars in so many different placesJune 24, 2019 at 7:25 am #188410AnonymousInactive
“But let us be magnanimous and give credit where credit is due, regardless of his real motives, it appears that Trump, always the maverick, went against the recommendations of his vice-president, Pence and two secretary of states, Pompeo and Bolton.
Why? I have no idea, who can read into Trump’s irrational mind, …but at least for now war has been averted or postponed.”
The saving of an estimated 150 lives as a result of Trump’s so-called magnanimous action is nothing compared with the deaths and other hardships suffered by the Iranian people as a result of economic sanctions imposed by the US.
US Sanctions on Iran Depriving Country’s Cancer Patients of Essential Treatment
And according to an Iranian journalist, the effects of sanctions on Iran include expensive basic goods and an aging and increasingly unsafe aircraft fleet. “According to reports from Iranian news agencies, 17 planes have crashed over the past 25 years, killing approximately 1,500 people.”June 24, 2019 at 7:52 am #188411
Let us remember it was a vote in the Commons that deterred Cameron from escalating the UK’s intervention in the Syrian civil war. Nothing is 100% pre-determined.
I am not challenging what you say about the severity of sanctions, Dave. But things could have (and may well still become a lot worse) if Trump had followed the advice of his closest advisors.
Not just militarily but as Marcos mentioned, economically….the spark for the next big global recession…and we know they too just like sanctions will have collateral damage to the wider population, as recent falls in life expectancy shows when austerity is implemented
As for the cyber-attack on Iran’s defence computer system, I am still baffled. As the attack did not take place, Iran can now re-programme its systems knowing exactly how it was done and what parts of its network was affected. So next time any cyber attack will be less effective. Maybe the more computer literate can explain how it can be applied again in the future.June 24, 2019 at 7:56 am #188412AnonymousInactive
Next week the USA government is going to impose more sanctions on Iran which are going to produce more death, and despair on the Iranian peoples than 150 peoples that Trump did not want kill due to the bombardment.
In Puerto Rico, more peoples died after the hurricane than during the hurricane because the island has an embargo, and many other countries wanted to send aid but the USA government did not allow them to do that,
The John Act of 1920 only allowed US shipping company to ship commodities to Puerto Rico and the USA government did not provide the necessary medications and medical equipment needed for many peoples that were injured or were already sick due to diabetes, and heart diseases.June 24, 2019 at 8:59 am #188413AnonymousInactive
“As for the cyber-attack on Iran’s defence computer system, I am still baffled. As the attack did not take place, Iran can now re-programme its systems knowing exactly how it was done and what parts of its network was affected. So next time any cyber attack will be less effective. Maybe the more computer literate can explain how it can be applied again in the future.”
No proof that this “cyber attack” actually happened.
I would imagine that Iran’s AD systems run on proprietary software that would need someone on the ground to infect it from within. So, if an attack actually took place this explanation is far more likely than the US hacking it via the internet.June 24, 2019 at 9:26 am #188414
If I recall the virus Stuxnet was originally designed to infect Iran’s computers
But I don’t think it was a similar sort of cyber attack. But what do I know…others may be better informed
I would also imagine they now have a sophisticated computer department countering such threats
As you say, no proof such a thing occurred and Iran denies it…but they would, wouldn’t they…could all be made-up propaganda to appease some war-hawkish US public opinion.June 24, 2019 at 7:56 pm #188418AnonymousInactive
Alan Johnston said:
But let us be magnanimous and give credit where credit is due, regardless of his real motives, it appears that Trump, always the maverick, went against the recommendations of his vice-president, Pence and two secretaries of states, Pompeo and Bolton.
There are rumours that both secretaries can be fired by TrumpJune 25, 2019 at 7:14 am #188422AnonymousInactive
“If I recall the virus Stuxnet was originally designed to infect Iran’s computers”
Well yes, but I understand Stuxnet functioned by targeting machines using the Microsoft Windows operating system and networks, then seeking out Siemens software which the Iranians were using at the time which is why almost certainly they would now be using systems and software developed domestically.June 25, 2019 at 8:08 am #188423AnonymousInactive
The Iranian have developed their own Operation system
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