Thomas_More
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Cowards? Here is a description of what happened to religious conscientious objectors in Kansas in 1918.
https://anabaptistwiki.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Hutterite_Martyrs_of_1918
People in the Donbas have more to fear from the conscription officers of their tinpot regime. I don’t envy the fate of any genuine socialists, anarchists or pacifists even, who are taken out of hiding by the nationalists there and who can’t escape.
For you, conscientious objectors are “cowards”, aren’t we, who no doubt should be executed.
As Marx said, TS, “The working men have no country. We cannot take away from them what they have not got.”
So, alien and TS, we are not fighting your bloody war. So, instead of bothering us, why don’t you two go and enlist in the Russian army?
Since when did Sovietists care about the workers of the world?
Castro was furious when Khrushchev turned back from the brink. He had no care for the world’s workers, but was prepared to provoke a nuclear holocaust.
The same with the militarists in Russia, talking about obliterating Britain – meaning the horrible deaths of millions of workers, individuals with feelings, connections, hopes and dreams just like people everywhere. We are not millions of Liz Truss clones!
Whilst I reject the term ‘ideology’ here, I am glad you know about us.
Leftists like TS and Alien are ideologists. We are not. Leftists follow an ideology, which is something leaders lay down for followers to tread. We have no leaders and no followers. We tell people NOT to vote for the party unless they personally agree with our principles.
But in leftist parties, and other parties, which all have leaders, an ideology is laid down that would-be members must follow. They also just want votes from all and sundry, regardless of who is voting and what he or she believes. We are the only party which hopes to see its own dissolution, e.g. from socialism being achieved.
Lizzie, please know that we stand against all war and nationalism and always have done. Were a member to diverge from this principled stand s/he would be challenged on it and expulsion from the party would follow were such proven.
More putinist garbage from the troll and now another, which must be trounced. Otherwise newcomers who come here knowing nothing of the SPGB might think we stand for that rubbish.
