Thomas_More
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Is animal torture something to minimise with jokes?
What has a dog attack got to do with it? It is totally irrelevant, unless you are saying that keeping dangerous dogs justifies animal torture.
It is the people who have dangerous dogs who brutalise them, use them for dog-fighting etc.How does this justify what this thread is about? Why joke about serving up dogs in restaurants? The dog meat business involves execrable torture, with clubs and blowtorches. Their bones are broken and their genitals torched whilst they are alive and hoisted.
Is this funny?How are people watching torture justified?
You use irrelevancies and jokes where things are not connected at all. What has the shooting of an attacking dog got to do with this thread. Because Ciutadin and I are appalled by torture and mass killing we are supposed to be in favour when humans suffer violence, are we?
So, humans and other species are a case of “us vs them”?
Your point is?
1. You dislike dogs.
2. Your quip about a restaurant is aimed at upsetting me?
3. Conclusion: It’s no concern to socialists what is done to other animals, only to humans?
I know this sort of “socialist” alright. One who mocks and diminishes another’s sensibilities, even a socialist’s, who is meant to be a comrade.
A book from a free book alcove was filled with sticky post-its from an angry reader. Each one had handwriting on it, mouthing off.
Now, as soon as someone these days tears into the Catholic Church (I mean explicitly the CATHOLIC Church) I know immediately that he or she is a conspiraloon, a creationist, fundamentalist evangelical, Freemason-hating, Protocols of Zion-crusading, fanatic. Sure enough, so this was too.The time for bashing the Catholic Church was when the rationalist Enlightenment philosophers were doing it. The only would-be bashers of Rome today are the 100% IRRATIONAL conspiraloons – who hate Voltaire too. (He was a Mason 😱, oooh!)
Which is why capitalism must be done away with. It is driving us to destruction. We cannot resolve things if we are unaware of how to do so.
Under capitalism the Earth is not humanity’s to save, but is the property of 1% only. Hence the resignation that is instilled: “The climate is spiralling and we must adjust.” “War is coming and we must prepare.” We are passive onlookers who can do nothing about these “inevitables.” Socialists say we can and we must. We must expropriate the capitalist class and so release humanity’s energies to solve things. But that can’t be done until humanity becomes humanity, instead of 1% parasites and 99% wage-slaves under their yoke of capital accumulation.Don’t forget the environmental holocaust and the increasing likelihood of an armageddon that will wipe out life on this planet, never mind you and your ten cars.
Nationalism is the vehicle used to divert the working class. In parts of the world where religions are still strong, nationalism wears religious garb; in secularist parts, like Europe, it appears as itself, or as “freedom” and “democracy.”
The more secularist regimes in the near East, Iraq and Syria, were obliterated by western secularist regimes supporting Islamist extremists who were also enemies of Iran.
https://news.sky.com/story/why-ukraine-could-now-have-fresh-hope-of-vital-us-support-13554832
US to support Ukraine again as Zelensky is winning.
West’s war preparations.
https://tass.com/politics/2150351
US shifting again to support for Kiev.
https://tass.com/politics/2150241
As socialists we oppose all wars and all nation-states, which are the various armed camps of the capitalist class.
I fear that it is those of the West in this case who intend to initiate a terrifying all-out war with Russia.
I said be our guest where no harm is caused. We won’t force you to see a doctor, just suggest you do.
Maybe you’d like a mansion with 140 rooms. Be our guest. But good luck persuading any suckers to clean them for you, in a world without wages and without any admiration for anyone with such decadent proclivities. They’d say you were either ill, or a bad actor playing at being a member of a dead class.
But you wouldn’t be harming anyone, so good luck. Except your ten cars better not be polluting ones. Also, cars will probably have been replaced by different modes of transport, in a world where technology has been released to serve safer means, and where it is no longer necessary for millions of people to rush somewhere every day in the service of the god profit.
That you would want ten cars just for you is a statement that you don’t give a damn about pollution either.
Are your meals also of proportions fit for George IV or Louis XIV?
Do you get through a barrel of mashed potato each day? Do you wear two sets of clothes a day and then chuck them?War by 2030.
The only way NATO and the EU can be so certain of this is if they plan to initiate it.The basis of society is the same as when Marx was writing, but capitalism has not stood still since then.
Marx today would be a 21st century socialist, not a 19th century one.Socialists should surely respond to sensibilities which were barely circulating in the 19th/early 20th century, but which are forced by the realities of capitalist destruction to be awakening now.
Our task must be to show people the link.Are you going to say to the concerned, “I support socialism so I’ll be able to do what I want”?
