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ParticipantThat is correct about maps. That at last puts it succinctly.
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ParticipantThank you. I’ll be reading this too. Looks very interesting.
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ParticipantI will read this, but I just wonder if many of you are so engrossed in Marx that you confuse that with everything, even the natural sciences like astronomy.
Atoms exist, even if the word atom is invented by humans to assist understanding and converse.
Why am I a “naive realist”?
I’m a party member, aren’t I?
I just don’t put Marx into everything.
(I wondered the other day what a suspicious character who resembled him in my Asterix book was up to).What’s next? “A Marxian Analysis of the Planets”?
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ParticipantI only proffered the quote to elicit a discussion.
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Richard Dawkins/Mitchell & Webb.Thomas_More
ParticipantYou are starting to sound more and more like an idealist.
Are you denying material, physical reality, and saying it’s all in our minds?
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ParticipantA real, material, phenomenon, though.
Your Atomic Self: The Invisible Elements That Connect You to Everything Else in the Universe https://g.co/kgs/edCp6X
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ParticipantReactions to size of the universe:
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ParticipantA creationist has just told me he believes in Adam and Eve because it’s … COMMON SENSE!
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ParticipantNice for playing pixie billiards.
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ParticipantMatter’s building blocks.
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Carl Sagan.Thomas_More
ParticipantHumility in the face of the cosmos, as any good scientist would agree, is to be recommended.
I don’t understand astro-physics, and I’ll therefore trust the writings of deGrasse-Tyson, Carl Sagan, Brian Cox, etc.
My introduction to materialism was very basic. My dad told me
1) Matter is all there is, and
2) It is eternal, without beginning or end, and can’t be destroyed, only changed.I know more is being discovered all the time, though.
I read a lot in my twenties, but my reading was more philosophical than scientific. For my dad and me Carl Sagan’s COSMOS was a beloved masterpiece. Both of us devoured Sagan’s books.
I, with my historical bent, read Voltaire, La Mettrie and Shelley’s Notes on Queen Mab. My dad also recommended Lucretius.
My terms of reference are antiquated, certainly, and I cannot get my head around Einstein and astro-physics, that’s for sure.
I read what I can understand, and it was a quality of Sagan’s that he made things accessible to us amateurs.
Yes, we humans use words to try and comprehend things around us. We use the word “matter” to describe substance both visible and invisible. We take the Greek word “atomos” and apply it still, with “sub-atomic particles”, to what we see forming matter under powerful microscope technology. The Greeks and Indians of yore could only surmise the existence of these real, objective phenomena they couldn’t see with the naked eye.
It’s also true that not one thing exists in isolation from all things, from the cosmos as a whole, including us.
Buddhism (not the popular cult, but the learning centred upon the great Nalanda university) stressed this universality of existence further, by denying the separate existence of a self – something we humans still can’t accept, clinging as we do to “individuality” and “me.”Humility, when contemplating the little blue dot where we live.
The opposite of humility, however, when fighting for socialism.
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ParticipantOf course “atom”, like every word, is a word – but we use the word to refer to something that is real, in fact of which we, and everything around us, is made of.
We don’t know what matter is, but we use the word, again, to define what we perceive as reality.
We now know what an atom looks like, so it is real.
Or are we idealists now?
This is not metaphysics. But if you deny that reality consists of something real that we call matter, and that this something (matter) is made up of atoms (also real), then what the heck is happening to your avowed materialism?
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