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ParticipantThere’s obviously a lot of self-serving dissembling in what they say and I don’t care two hoots about MPs as a group but being a Tory MP doesn’t necessarily make you a capitalist. We in the WSM consider people to be working class who aren’t generally thought to be so, including presumably the highly paid “upper middle class”. Most would find that hard to swallow.
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ParticipantGood on you Alan.
Of course we always hope our messages will be read and maybe even taken notice of, though I think this organisation is so up itself looking for things to petition about that they are clearly not going to be interested in our bigger picture.
My hopes were raised slightly when I got another email from them earlier this evening…but it was asking me to sign a petition to stop the introduction of VAT on face masks. Although part of me is tempted to carry on receiving them just for amusement value, overall I think it’s time I unsubscribed!
I think the snowball analogy is a good one – maybe we’ll become The Rolling Snowball Movement?
October 25, 2020 at 9:31 pm in reply to: Tory MPs out of touch. Lack compassion! Let them eat steak #208575rodshaw
ParticipantPetitions galore. So many outraged, well-meaning people. And yet not one glimmer of real socialist consciousness among them.
We shouldn’t be petitioning our beloved leaders but telling them the time has come to get on their bikes.
Time for an open letter to Mr Rashford maybe?
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ParticipantAs a slight aside to this topic – how does the government overissue currency these days? Is it still by printing more notes, or by electronic means, or a bit of both? I think I read somewhere that “quantitative easing” doesn’t actually permeate into the general economy.
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ParticipantThere does seem to be a slight shift in stance from Attenborough. At least he’s now pointing at capitalism instead of just saying it’s “we humans” causing the problems. But if only he’d say that capitalism needs abolishing not curbing. And if only he’d see that he doesn’t have to be an economist to say that.
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Participant“When health and social care become captured by economic burden capital interests of keeping the economy ‘open’ will always stand at the front of the line (adverse health outcomes become an acceptable risk or economic ‘friendly fire’)”
Collateral damage, indeed.
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ParticipantNot all GP practices notify people that flu jabs are available. When I lived in York I got an annual reminder and an actual appointment at a local inoculation centre without prompting. Here in Northampton, nothing. My GP doesn’t even do them. You have to ask your local chemist to give you one – but at least they are still free.
Maybe it depends on how hard different pharmaceutical companies are wanting to push them.
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ParticipantI assume near the beginning he means we would prioritise the safety of everyone.
Can’t argue with the sentiment but appropriating stored wealth for the benefit of all is the left-winger’s dream, much more unlikely than that people will turn to socialism.
Leaving economy issues aside (if only we could), there is also the argument that even from the aspect of general health and wellbeing, a lockdown is worse than the problem it’s trying to solve. Either way it looks like we are going to end up living with the virus and those who are most concerned observing everyday ‘common sense’ measures like distancing, masks etc. for possibly a long time to come.
The general population is getting lockdown fatigue. It certainly doesn’t help when the government does a u-turn every few weeks and is at loggerheads with its advisors.
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ParticipantI wonder how long all that money lying around in bank accounts would stay there? Maybe all computers holding financial details would be ceremonially wiped.
Or perhaps one or two which held billionaires’ accounts would be put in a museum.
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Participant“We cannot allow ‘specialist’ educators. Socialism is the self-education of the whole of society.”
Indeed, the more you know, the more sceptical you can be about other’s views or the information they give you. But we’re never all going to know the same things. We’re not telepathic. We can’t absorb information by osmosis. There would have to be ways for people with more knowledge in a certain field to be able to make it available to others. Of course, it would then be up to the others to decide whether they accepted it or not. But why wouldn’t they? And how would they know any different?
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ParticipantJust imagine – workers in a shop decide not to take payment (actually, it happened to me recently, but it was just a paltry sum for a tyre valve replacement).
Then the shop’s supplier decides not to charge the shop – the employees refuse to put the invoices through and their bosses can’t make them. The word spreads.
Eventually someone gets sued, but the court admin clerks decide not to process the lawsuit. Eventually the whole supply chain is moneyless because the workers have decided not to ask for money or pay, and the people implementing the enforcement machinery on a daily basis have decided not to do anything about it. Likewise the police and the army. So the world is running without money and the owners can only look on speechless.
Back door socialism? Can the state just melt away?
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ParticipantI’ll be much happier when people start saying “Who needs money?”.
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ParticipantOne good thing that may come out of this pandemic is more research into ME and associated illnesses, through the number of people who are suffering long-term after-effects. One of my daughters has ME and I know how limiting it can be.
But I won’t hold my breath, this is capitalism after all and any such research isn’t going to be particularly profitable.
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Participant“I have had the same problem of what term for African-Americans which i use now, since negro, coloured (and even black sometimes) are no longer PC.”
I have seen “people of colour” being used recently.
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ParticipantYou never know, he might come out as a non-believer, like some C of E clerics did a while back.
How about posting him a few Socialist Standards? After all, we did write open letters to David Attenborough and Greta Thunberg…
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