Ozymandias
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Workers can now access an entire galaxy of information at their fingertips yet they know even less. Their phones are smarter than they are.
In fact having just watched an Adam Curtis film about how utterly clueless both Tory and Labour Govts were in trying to steer the economy in the 70s then maybe they are cretins.
“A well meaning pro establishment spasm” as you so succinctly put it. The cretins don’t even know how Capitalism works. Surely they must do? Anyway cheers.
“…and their solution is essentially global socialism. Think of the Green New Deal combined with the COVID-19 lockdown restrictions and throw in something called the Fourth Industrial Revolution, in which technology is supposed to radically change the way we live and work.”
This is part of the text on the newspaper as seen in the video. Enlightened Capitalists? Mindgames? Wtf is it?
Yup. You beat me to it Keymaster. I was going to mention to Movimiento that I don’t need definitions of what the Deutsch term Lumpenproletariat means. You don’t get any better quality lumpen proles like you do up here!
Plus to the question of how Glasgow members spoke to each other all I can say is that my old man ended up hating mostly all of them. “Stey away fae they Bastards” my Aunt exclaimed after she heard Jim Fleming talk at my Da’s funeral…”They ruined eez life!”
She had a point but failed to understand the hold the party can have on you. Not individuals. The cause itself. The dream. The hope. That’s why I’m still on this fuckin forum haha.“I know the SPGB does not approve the concept of Lumpen, but I think that is what they are”
I agree with Movimiento. If the Party doesn’t approve it’s news to me. My old man (like most other members of his generation) despised the working class. Has there been a sea change? Donnelly often said that some crazed faction of workers could sabotage revolution in the end. Thus making safe passage to the next society dangerous.
Growing up I heard members call workers “slavish bastards” “fuckin proles” “bigots” “stupid cunts”. You name it. In fact I would say the term “Lumpen” is quite an elevated epithet.The latest from the man of made up
big words…Revolution Now! with Peter Joseph | Ep #14 | Dec 30th 2020
In this episode, the long-term evolution of activist intent, coupled with the contrast of in-system and out-system activism is discussed, highlighting the necessity for a structuralist worldview.
This is one of the things (incl his flirtation with UBI and lesser evilism) that let’s him down.
Culturally Collectivist? Whit? Mate you are gonny get yourself in trouble on here if you start banding about terms like “Middle Class haha.
Sadly Marcos the vast majority of workers don’t even realise they are living in Capitalism. That’s how insidious it is. To them it’s just “life”. They don’t even know what a social system is. They are just trying to survive.
Looks like today’s working class can barely achieve Trades Union consciousness never mind class self-awareness. But I think it will come about in some flash. Some viral thing as was mentioned earlier.
Interesting to read Peter Joseph’s comments on Twitter of late. The guy is totally disillusioned. He’s promoting the idea of Universal Basic Income now. (Maybe he always did?) Also the latest word in his lexicon is “Structuralism” whatever that means. He thinks UBI is a short cut to Resource Based Economy. Without any need for class conscious revolution.
Just a shame Zeitgeist seemed to atrophy. I thought it was really going somewhere a decade ago. But they are neither democratically or politically organised.
