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May 21, 2025 at 1:28 am in reply to: Still propagating wrong conceptions as ( The transitional society ) #258465
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ParticipantWhoever base his/her analysis on the Soviet Union/Bolsheviks/Lenin experiences will always end with wrong conclusions or analysis, they might use socialist phraseology like Lenin, but the analysis is incorrect
They are talking about the transitional period, but in reality they are referring to Lenin transitional society, and the separation between socialism and communism which is a Lenin distortion.( Marx and Engels never separated both ) For Marx, the real transitional society was capitalism.
The IP is a split of the ICC but they have not abandoned their Leninist/bolsheviks past, and neither one of the left communists have not abandoned their Leninist inheritance
The DOP was only a transitional measure applicable to the XIX century when capitalism was not a world economic system, which could have conducted the society into state capitalism, as the Soviet Union and all other so called socialist countries
The dictatorship of the proletariat is not longer needed, but they continue holding the same conceptions, they are still attached to the bolsheviks past, and all Leninists groups continue advocating for the Dictatorship of the proletariat, but in reality it is the dictatorship of the so called socialist/communist leader and the communist party .
What have they done ? Just to create millions of anti communist workers who associate third world dictators with socialism and communism
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May 20, 2025 at 6:21 pm in reply to: Still propagating wrong conceptions as ( The transitional society ) #258460Citizenoftheworld
ParticipantI know that, you are not telling me anything new. The problem is that the left-winger always follow Lenin separation between socialism and communism, and most left communists are Leninist too. The article written by Adam covers all those aspects and distortion
May 20, 2025 at 1:36 am in reply to: Even Karl Marx respected the rich more than Rachel Reeves #258449Citizenoftheworld
ParticipantKarl Marx and Engels never worshipped the capitalist class, and they never thought that the working class was going to worship their own exploiters. During the time of Marx reactionaries workers used to be called lumpenproletariat
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ParticipantI think this is a duplication of works, there are several websites in different languages
I have been publishing articles, pamphlets, and books in different languages for several years, thru the old yahoo groups, Facebook, bluesky social group, mastodon, and blogger.
Matt who has been one of the best moderator and internet technician that this party has ever had was the only one that provided support
I think I am going to erase all of them and leave this one running
This party has a small clique
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May 15, 2025 at 12:32 am in reply to: Pope Francis dead at age 88 ” defended rights of workers “ #258404Citizenoftheworld
Participanthttps://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/05/13/emju-m13.html
Some right-wing politicians and right-wing populists leaders have called the new pope a Woke Marxist. The thing is that woke and capitalism are compatible, as an article written by the Socialist Party has indicated, but there is nothing of Marxism and socialism in the election of this pope when the prior pope, known as Leon XIII, was an anti socialist.
It is just a geopolitical decision made by the Vatican to promote its expansionist interests around the globe ( similar to the election of Pope Francis ), especially in the Americas, where half of its followers are geographically located, and a great deal of its income comes from that region
He did not even mention prior priests of the liberation theology who supported the class struggles, like Carlos Mugica, Ciera, Oscar Romero, and Gustavo Gutierrez
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ParticipantThe best source for information is the index of the Socialist Party /World Socialist Movement. You can find anything you want, the best way is to research by topic. The Socialist Party is a university on socialism/communism. The socialist party has written that without Marx and Engels, they would have created their concept of socialism/communism. The rest of the organizations have been corrupted with Leninism and social democrats’ conceptions. The socialist party does not write long articles, but the articles written are concise and precise. Someone that I knew said: There is a great difference between being a follower and a continuator
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ParticipantI think this is a matter of semantics. When socialists speak of a “stateless” society they are not talking about the absence of a body that would fulfill the functions mentioned above.
What they are talking about is the form of this body. Instead of being something above society, that functions to preserve minority rule – “a state” – this body would be something that has become absorbed into the whole of society, for example through the use of mandated and recallable delegates and through an increase in democratic participation.
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This is a conception that many peoples in the so called working class movement do not understand
May 12, 2025 at 3:09 pm in reply to: Pope Francis dead at age 88 ” defended rights of workers “ #258365Citizenoftheworld
ParticipantThis is another article of Daniel de Leon about the abolition of property that is the different to the conception of pope Leon XIII, and the new pope is being labelled as a socialist, Pope Francis is not a socialist, and the member of the theology of liberation are not socialists either. They have blessed the private property
https://www.marxists.org/archive/deleon/pdf/subject/abol_pov.pdfThere is not such thing as a revolutionary pope, all of them are defender of private property and class society, apologist of capitalism have tried to associate liberation theology with Marxism, but that is not true either, they are two different conceptions
This pamphlet describes how religion evolves thru the development of several economic system including capitalismhttps://www.marxists.org/archive/keracher/1929/how-gods-made.htm
The German sociologist Max Weber also described the emergence of protestantism along with the emergence of capitalism, and the association of Ancient Judaism with the mode of production of that historical period
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May 12, 2025 at 9:20 am in reply to: Pope Francis dead at age 88 ” defended rights of workers “ #258361Citizenoftheworld
Participanthttps://www.leftvoice.org/leo-xiv-a-pope-to-ease-the-decline-of-the-neoliberal-order/
A catholic pope to ease the decline of the Neoliberal order
It looks more like a geopolitical selection, a person which is from the USA, South America and the Caribbean, and with dual citizenship
There is a new conception within the left known as post neoliberalism
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/02632764211036722
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ParticipantThen I wonder how do you see society being organised? Because without the state to distribute law, protect those from exploitation and to prevent the re-establishment of capitalism, all myself see is a chaotic system were those who are able to gain power rule. Democracy needs centralised organisation for action to be taken and planned. It is pure anarchism not socialism, no proletariat need the state to protect them and there way of life but not as a sperate entity for both the masses and the state to be a dual system through the hands of democracy.
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The state is not an organizer, it is the opposite way, it is the real chaotic instrument in our society. The real organizer is going to be the world working class
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ParticipantThe Socialist Party has written and published thousands of pages on the question of a stateless socialist/communist society. In all their works, Marx and Engels also mention the conception of a post-capitalist stateless socialist/communist society.
The conception of a stateless society is not only an issue solely propagated by some anarchist groups, but some so-called anarchists support state capitalism and state capitalist leaders, and some capitalist groups also advocate for a stateless capitalist society
Marx and Engles also wrote about the history, the origin, the function, and the character of the state, even more, on the Communist Manifesto they also indicated that the state is only the executive apparatus to handle the affairs of the capitalist class, and they called it the superstructure, therefore, without social classes a state would not be needed
Engels clear indicated that the state is going to be vanished ( withering away ) on a socialist society, in a classless society human beings would not need a system of oppression, repression and domination, and the proletarian class will also be vanished on a socialist society, therefore, the working class is not going to oppress itself, it is illogical
It was Lenin and the Bolsheviks who created the conceptions of the workers’ state, socialist state, socialist countries, and socialist leaders, and any third-world dictator is called a communist leader. They continued oppressing the working class, extracting surplus value from their labor like any other typical capitalist society.
Julius Martov swept the floor with Lenin State and the revolution, a pamphlet where Lenin completely distorted Marx concept of the state and dishonestly introduced and twisted phrases that Marx used in other writings, and the Commune of Paris was never a workers state, and it was never the first workers state, and socialism in one country, one capital, ad one backward country can not be established, even more socialism can not be established in one single advanced country like the USA.
Lenin State and the Revolution, Stalin Foundation of Leninism, Lenin What is to be done, Imperialism higher stage of capitalism, Trotsky Permanent revolution, became the textbooks and part of the curriculum of the study groups of all Leninists organizations, and those ideas were propagated thru the whole world, instead of learning socialism, members learned a distorted view of socialism/communism, two concepts that Marx and Engels never separated in two differents conceptions, along with the revolutionary war which created the death of thousands of innocent peoples. In our time, any guerrilla fighter is called a socialist, but there are also guerrilla fighters supported by the capitalist class, and some groups have been formed by them .
A so-callled socialist society managed by a state apparatus is not socialism, it is state capitalism.
The socialist party has published thousands of words about the dictatorship of the proletariat ( government ) and it has given the proper definition and the proper application during the historical context that it was mentioned by Marx, and our time it is not longer required, and the real transitional period is capitalism
May 11, 2025 at 11:21 pm in reply to: Nuclear war fears explode India tells Pakistanis to leave #258357Citizenoftheworld
ParticipantAt either side of the conflict ( Pakistan/China, India/USA ) workers should not sacrificed their own lives defending the interests of the capitalist class
May 11, 2025 at 6:55 am in reply to: Nuclear war fears explode India tells Pakistanis to leave #258353Citizenoftheworld
ParticipantChina and Pakistan 62 Billions commercial/trade/technological agreement
May 11, 2025 at 6:50 am in reply to: Nuclear war fears explode India tells Pakistanis to leave #258352Citizenoftheworld
ParticipantIndia and Sri Lanka being drawn into U.S.’ new Cold War against China
India and Sri Lanka being drawn into U.S.’ new Cold War against ChinaMay 11, 2025 at 6:08 am in reply to: Nuclear war fears explode India tells Pakistanis to leave #258351Citizenoftheworld
ParticipantAnother conflict for resources and commercial routes:
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/05/09/fwji-m09.html
This is not a religious conflict as the capitalist press wants to present it to the world, it is just another conflict among capitalists and part of the struggle for world hegemony between the USA and China.
The cause of wars is capitalism and nationalism is a mental poison used by the rulers in order to divide the working class
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