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Participant“Given these sorts of whopping profits, I can’t understand why conspiracists, instead of claiming the virus is a hoax and vaccines a vehicle for mind-control, haven’t touted the far simpler plot that the virus was manufactured by drug companies in order to sell vaccines.”
I have heard some consipiracists (I have an in law who is right into this stuff), claim that Big pharma have promoted this, however it isn’t “Big” pharma that are making the profits, the big three Glaxosmthkiline, Merck and Sanofi all had failed vaccines and lost $millions in the process, so much for conspiracies, it’s the anarchy of capitalism as bloody usual.
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ParticipantMeet the new boss, the same as the old boss!!!!
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Participant“Do conspiracists have to be consistent with each other?”
They don’t appear to have to be consistent with anything, e.g. truth, common sense, reality, etc.
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ParticipantTories going in guns blazing (note also, they are branding themselves “Conservative and Unionist” in Scotland).
The Unionist Party was a separate party until 1965, although it was known and recognised as part of the Tory Party, Alec Douglas Home was actually a member of the Unionist Party and was technically the last PM who was neither a member of the Conservative or Labour Party. (useless information is my stock in trade)
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ParticipantHi L Bird,
Many thanks for your words (genuinely). I agree with you that social engagement (perhaps enhanced with a few jars) would have been an excellent addition to the on line discussion. Hopefully that will come in the not too distant future.
Having spent my politically formative years around, but not joining the Leninist/Trotskyist sects I remember finding the democratic, open, straightforward approach of the SPGB and the comrades I met at that time an absolute revelation. No behind the scenes caucuses, no party within a party, no elitist groups. Hopefully you will find the same atmosphere, plenty of bickering, some falling outs, the occasional row, but all done in an honest, open and principled way!
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ParticipantMatt – eventually he will admit how much he loves us. Come on Birdy, let it all out!!!!!
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Participant“Implicit in what you’ve written, is that ‘science’ within a democratic socialist mode of production would based upon very different ‘purse strings’, ‘outcomes’, ‘compatible with socialism’, ‘democratic wishes’, ‘funding’ and ‘reality’, and an end to the ‘dichotomy’ between ‘pure abstract’ and human ‘need’. And indeed, our ‘scientists’ would become ‘servants’, not of a ruling class, but of humanity.”
Wouldn’t disagree with most of that, however not sure about “purse strings” and “funding”, but assume you mean that in terms of allocation of resources, as opposed to money??????
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ParticipantHow can “the scientific elite” be part of the ruling class? The ruling class own and control the means of production, in what sense do the “scientific elite” own the means of scientific production?????
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ParticipantL Bird, you appear to be backing away from your previous view that scientific theory should be voted on, can you clarify your current position on this?
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ParticipantSo you are saying that you do not believe that “scientific theory” should be voted on?
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Participant” It’s revealing, too, that you think I’m the only Marxist in the world that argues for democracy.”
I didn’t say that, did I?
To put it more bluntly. You are the only person in the world who I have ever come across who puts forward the idea that we should all vote on “science”, whatever science is. For example I have not come across another living person who thinks that we should vote on whether or not the sun rises in the East and sets in the West, or who thinks that if we voted in the contrary the sun would conveniently fit in with our voting patterns and start rising in the west.
I do believe in democracy, however that does not mean that I agree with all decisions that are made democratically. For instance, if all of the world voted that you were in fact a genius, I for one (I suspect there may be others) would still think you were off your rocker. Interesting, well read, erudite, personable, but still as mad as mince.
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Participant(Good to know you’re alive and well L Bird).
I do, however, find it ironic, that in terms of your interpretation of democracy, you appear to be in a world wide minority of one.Bijou Drains
ParticipantThat’s great news Matthew.
We might have to introduce vaccine passports for Party conference!
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ParticipantI think the small number of Covid deaths in some relatively hot countries is much more likely to be as a result of different demographic patterns. If most deaths are in the over 60s and a country doesn’t have many over 60s, then that country will probably not have many Covid deaths.
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ParticipantPaddy, it’s not just “likes” they’re after, it’s cash. David Icke’s estimated net worth is $2million, lots of the anti vaxxers, nut job Qanon misleaders, etc. have a nice little side line in peddling books, videos, subscriptions and other tat.
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