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“There would be one or two over-the-top challenges. Ron Harris v Norman Hunter.”
Big Jack could put it about as well.
There was a programme on TV a few years ago where some modern referees watched and “refereed” the Leeds V Chelsea cup final replay, they said they would have sent off 19 players for either straight reds or two yellows.
TN, look, Putin wins uk vote!
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ALB – It’s why of course we are confident that “human nature” doesn’t make socialism impossible, as the genetic determinists claim.
I think it is important that we challenge the genetic determinists with their own argument. Our genetics determine that the first thing we experience (as do all mammals to some extent) is the experience of cooperative care giving. The mammalian solution to the survival conundrum is to care for and nurture our offspring. The most notable feature of our genetic inheritance and human existence is mass cooperation, it is so common that we often don’t even see it.
As to instinct, our first and overwhelming instinct is to cooperate and to be nurtured, the initial 3 years of our existence is based on the interdependency of others and learning to be part of a social grouping, our second instinct is to be inquisitive and to learn. Instinct and learning are intertwined part of human development. The “human nature” argument, is one we should use, it is capitalism which is contrary to human nature to cooperate and nurture, not socialism.
ALB – “Perhaps you mean what used to be called “instincts” or biologically inherited behaviour patterns. We know that this scarcely applies to humans beyond bodily functions and that human behaviour, being biologically flexible, is overwhelmingly culturally determined.”
I must contest this ALB. Human instinct is far more important in the development of personality, cognition, relationships, etc. than you give it credence. The crude Skinnerist idea that human behaviour is nothing but a collection of leaarned behaviours was trashed many, many years ago.
A quick scan through Attachment Theory will show that pre programmed human instincts have a massive interplay with individual human development. The nature v nurture debate is the wrong debate, the way we develop is based on how nurture responds to nature and how nature responds to nurture.
Lizzie45 – “I’m not in employment …… so I’m not producing what The only regular outgoings I have, other than sustenance, are utility bills, transport costs and £32 Council Tax each month – money left over is mine to spend entirely as I please.”
You sound so delighted you get a pittance, I bet if you were burgled you’d be doing a conga because the burglar left and didn’t have a shite in your kettle!
FAO The Moderators:
Lizzie 45 you might want to check this out as well.With reference to last post from Lizzie45 and her posts to MS
“ The Malicious Communications Act 1988 (MCA) is a British Act of Parliament that makes it illegal in England and Wales to “send or deliver letters or other articles for the purpose of causing distress or anxiety”. It also applies to electronic communications.”
I think Lizzie45 is bang to rights on this one.
“So. Farewell then
Lizzie45
‘the only game in town’
that was your catchphrase
but now you have been red carded”😂😂😂
Was that composed by EJ Thribb, or do I detect an influence of Lord “Gnome”?
Interesting article, provides a little bit of insight into one or two regular posters on this site:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/experimentations/201908/what-makes-internet-trolls-tick
I think we all owe a duty of respect to AJ and the difficult work that he (voluntarily) undertakes in the role of moderator.
We all know the rules, we all know what goes beyond the pale. I will happily hold my hands up and acknowledge that sometimes I have pushed the boundaries, sometimes we need to have a think before posting in anger.
The site sometimes attracts “trolls” reacting to them gives them the oxygen they need to keep them trolling.
The fact that some people continue to post provocative comments and try to rile others, is a demonstration of the sadness and emptiness of their lives. Why on Earth would you continue to post garbage like that, to the website of a party you clearly have no time for, if it was not the case?
Re- “Maybe if all party members were to wear their lucky underpants it would help to create more socialists.”
I’ve been wearing my lucky 1904 “Jack Fitzgerald long johns” continuously without washing since 1982 and they don’t seem to be creating Socialist. They create a terrible stink, but not too many socialists!
TN – “Workers absolutely do have a vested interest in a Russian victory. It will very likely lead to a collapse of NATO and the eventual creation of a multipolar world free of Washington’s hegemony.”
As I have asked you to explain how would a multipolar world be an advantage to workers as opposed to a unipolar world? I have pointed out to you that for the majority of capitalisms existance the world has been multipolar.
All you have come up with is an uncovincing diatribe from a quasi Trotskyist professor from a third rate US university who thinks that Minneapolis was controlled by Trotskyists.
Rather than link the song, I’ve put the lyrics down.
Most will have heard the song, the general public, including those who love to sing along with it, probably don’t realise what the song I saying.Going Underground The Jam
Some people might say my life is in a rut
I’m quite happy with what I got
People might say that I should strive for more, but
I’m so happy I can’t see the point
Something’s happening here today
A show of strength with your boy’s brigade
And I’m so happy and you’re so kind
You want more money, of course I don’t mind
To buy nuclear textbooks for atomic crimes
And the public gets what the public wants
But I want nothing this society’s got
I’m going underground (going underground)
Well, if the brass bands play and feet start to pound
Going underground (going underground)
Well, let the boys all sing and let the boys all shout for tomorrow
Some people might get some pleasure out of hate
Me, I’ve enough already on my plate
People might need some tension to relax
Me? I’m too busy dodging between the flak
What you see is what you get
You’ve made your bed, you better lie in it
You choose your leaders and place your trust
As their lies wash you down and their promises rust
You’ll see kidney machines replaced by rockets and guns
And the public wants what the public gets
But I don’t get what this society wants
I’m going underground (going underground)
Well, if the brass bands play and feet start to pound
Going underground (going underground)
So let the boys all sing and let the boys all shout for tomorrow
la-la-la-la
(Oh) la-la-la-la
We talk and we talk until my head explodes
I turn on the news and my body froze
This braying sheep on my TV screen
Make this boy shout, make this boy scream
Going underground
I’m going underground
I’m going underground
I’m going underground
la-la-la-la
(Oh) la-la-la-la
(Oh) la-la-la-la
(Oh) la-la-la-la
Braying sheep on my TV screen
Make this boy shout, make this boy scream
Going underground (going underground)
Well, if the brass bands play and feet start to pound
Going underground (going underground)
Well, let the boys all sing and let the boys all shout
Going underground (going underground)
Well, if the brass bands play and feet go pound-pound-pound
Going underground (going underground)
So let the boys all sing and let the boys all shout for tomorrowAs a matter of fact the term I used (tosspot) is not as offensive as people think. There are two theories for the derivation of the term, one was that drunkards tossed their pots back and that therefore their conversation, speech or viewpoints could be disregarded as unworthy, or that described the most lowly servant in the household, the one who got the job of tossing (i.e. stirring the pot) so effectively being the most meanial servant of the grand lord or master.
If you consider Putin to be the Lord and Master and True Narcissist as his most humble and menial servant, describing him using the term I used would be pretty accurate and not as offensive as is often thought. As to the other explanation, I’ll let others make that judgement.
Either way, in it’s correct usage, it is not as offensive as many of the epithets thrown around on this thread.
