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August 2022 Forums General discussion Venezuela

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  • #185897
    Anonymous
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    In Venezuela, there are many means of productions owned by private capitalists. There is no such thing as the collective ownership of the means of production, and the so-called process of nationalization does not provide collective ownership either. Like Chilean worker said,  if the copper belongs to the Chileans can I take a piece to my house, the worker was accused of stealing from the state, the same case is for the Venezuelan, they do not own anything except their labour force which they must sell like a commodity

    #185899
    Anonymous
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    The merchants, the retailers and the wholesalers were able to control the flow of commodities in Venezuela because they are the ones who own the means of productions, and foods distributions and also Venezuela depends heavily on importation. More than 50% of Gitco is owned by the Russians capitalists, and they have some controls over the wealth of the Orinoco Belt, that is the reason why the USA wants the Russians to leave because they want to take control again  of the oil from the Orinoco which used to be controlled by Exxon/Mobil, and the Russian took their place, they also have a joint venture with the  Chinese capitalists for oil and lithium. It reminds me of Trotsky conception ( and his workers state degenerated )  that the Soviet Union was a socialist country despite the facts that the government and the state ruling class was oppressing and exploiting the workers but the state had control over the means of production, the same case was taking place in the Dominican Republic where one man owned all the properties and  the means of productions along with the Puerto Rican Sugar Company,   and he run the state, ( a situation explained by Marrero Aristy on his book known as Over )  and he was exploiting and killing the workers, therefore,  he was also a socialist running a socialist nation

    #185900
    Anonymous
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    The Socialist party of Great Britain asks, “

    I can’t reply without subscribing to their rubbishy site.

     

    Don’t waste your money, it is only a journal of the US right-wing movement. It is another group who propagate the conception that the USA is a  society divided in conservative ( in my dictionary they are called reactionaries ) and liberals, ( which do not exist in the USA )  instead of workers and capitalists, exploiters and exploited, oppressed and oppressors. Another beauty parlour of capitalism

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Review

    #186033
    Anonymous
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    These so called journalists which are only mouthpiece of the ruling class, they write without double checking history or reading any books. Hugo Chavez government is not the first one, and the only one in Latin America who has nationalized means of production, Cardenas and Peron did it before Chavez it was done in a much larger scale and they were running a capitalist economy. In Argentina they nationalized all the means of transportation including the raildroad system, and the means of communication, and the seaports, the national educations and medical services were implemented to be run by the state.

    In Mexico they nationalized the oil industy and all the landowners were expropiated, and they initiated a land reforms, all the electrical companies and railroad systems were nationalized, and they created public corporations, both goverments and measures were opposed by the USA despite the fact that both were capitalists governments which means that capitalists also enter into contradictions within themselves, and it has nothing to do with socialism.

    Chavez did not nationalized private homes of the workers, they nationalized properties that were owned by rich peoples closer to the beaches area in order to promote tourism, the same thing was done by the Gulf & Western in the Caribbeans where they expropiated many private owners to build hotels and private beaches.

    The Gulf and Western was the old Puerto Rican Sugar Company which kept workers living under inhumane conditions living worst than animals, and killed many workers unions leaders, leftists and workers.

    Agriculture has not totally being nationalized in Venezuela like it was done in Mexico, only a few companies were nationalized and they went into bankruptcy because capitalist can not be run without producing profits, and Venezuela still depends on the imprtation of foods that is the reason why merchants were able to create a food scarcity in the supermarkets. In Argentina many workers took over failed corporations and they had to run them as private corporations, like in Bolivia communes are run like private enterprises and they are called socialist enterprises

    In Puerto Rico most beaches are owned by private corporations  and by the  hotel and tourist  industries, and fishermen were displaced,  and the USA army and the hotel industry  have taken over the islands of Culebra and Vieques  to use them  as a millitary base and most of the member of the population are dying from cancer and the sea life is mutating . That is what they call free capitalism, they can fool the fools, and peoples who are reading comics books and playing video games

    #186034
    Anonymous
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    The USA government said that Juan Domingo Peron was a communist, but his main slogan was: No Yankees, no Communists, no Soviets. Argentina is for the Argentenian, he was a nationalist like Donald Trump, but they allowed the immigration of millions of Italians, Germans, and Spaniard from Europe. Later on they said that he was a Fascist because they did not support WWII and they kept their relationship with Germany and Japan

    #186060
    alanjjohnstone
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    #186063
    Anonymous
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    Now the situation is different to the time of the Cold War and the so called political refuges or exiles from Cuba running away from  what they used to call as communism

    #186135
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Chinese corruption and imperialism in Venezuela

    https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/venezuela-china-food/

     

    #186245
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    The Venezuelan opposition talks to the US military command as Guaido says he accepts the possibility of foreign armies invading Venezuela.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics/venezuelas-guaido-seeks-u-s-pentagon-cooperation-to-solve-political-crisis-idUSKCN1SH0L3

    #186250
    Anonymous
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    Which means that he will accept a civil war, and a military confrontation worst than Vietnam, and the possible intervention of Russia and China, and the revivals of several guerrillas groups in the area including the Colombian FARC, the ELN is increasing their forces on both side of the Colombian border, the EPP in Paraguay is emerging again, the USA might open a big can of worms.   Instead of the Ho-Chi-Min trail, it can become the Maduro trail. At the present time the Venezuelan armed forces are more prepared and better equipped than the Vietcong, and they have more civilian  militia than the Cuban army, and they have more mountains and jungles than Vietnam. The situation is not so easy as it is presented by CNN, Fox and MSNBC which are recipes prepared for the American public

    #188519
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Not the friendliest of organisations towards Maduro but the OAS projection puts the exodus between 7.5 million and 8.2 million in 2020, far surpassing the 6.7 million people who in eight years have fled Syria.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/06/oas-venezuela-migration-largest-world-2020-190628174012682.html

    Ivan Briscoe, Latin America director for the International Crisis Group, noted that US sanctions since early 2019 have contributed to the ever-deepening economic downfall of that once-wealthy nation.

    #189026
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Just to remind us of the oil motive

    Trump has renewed Chevron licence to drill for oil and gas in Venezuela despite sanctions. Also renewed were the licencesfor oil-field service companies Halliburton, Schlumberger, General Electric’s Baker Hughes and Weatherford International.

    Pompeo believe that having a US company in Venezuela would be an asset after any removal of Maduro.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/ajimpact/sanctions-firm-drilling-oil-venezuela-190726174848429.html

    #189028
    Anonymous
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    And those are the so called anti-globalists that the white nationalists support

    #189153
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Rather than a new thread I thought wiser to add to this one

    “Cuba on Tuesday imposed sweeping price controls on all state and private businesses as it battles a deepening economic crisis and mounting U.S. sanctions.”

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cuba-economy/cuba-battling-economic-crisis-imposes-sweeping-price-controls-idUSKCN1UP28Y

    “Cuban President Miguel Diaz-Canel announced earlier this month that the government had adopted a series of emergency measures to fight economic stagnation and dwindling foreign currency earnings that began in 2015 as the economy of key ally Venezuela imploded, and which have been aggravated by a series of new U.S. sanctions.”

    #189326
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster
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