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  • #182748
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Actually, there is already a banner hanging on the wall at Head Office which proclaims (speaking from memory): ABOLISH OF THE WAGES SYSTEM. NO WAR BETWEEN PEOPLES, NO PEACE BETWEEN CLASSES. In fact, that’s better, i.e. clearer, than NO WAR BUT THE CLASS WAR. I think it was inherited from Edinburgh or Glasgow Branch.

    #182750
    Stephen H
    Participant

    Predicted and predictable hack piece in the New York Times on Venezuela, linking the country with socialism (argument: because Jeremy Corbyn said it was socialist, it is). Pretty badly done – normally the NYT’s propaganda is of a slightly higher calibre.

    #182753
    Radrook2
    Participant

    You are right, the United States does consider Latin America its back yard over which it can dictate political policy. But has Latin America ever opposed the Monroe Doctrine which provides the USA with official power to constantly intervene whenever it feels necessary?  It seems to me as if Latin American nations are  quite happy with the present arrangement.

    In fact, the cooperation of neighboring countries, such as Brazil, Argentina and Chile, legitimizes the Monroe Doctrine by lending the USA moral support in its intended intervention and makes the meddling seem more like a joint operation of regional cooperating nations which are trying to fix a local instability.

     

     

     

     

    #182754
    alanjjohnstone
    Participant

    Courtesy of myself, ALB

    Vinyl banners were very cheap in south India, about a fiver, and I brought back a few. Here they are a bit more pricey and I wouldn’t like to declare my politics publically.

    #182758
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    At least during the Vietnam war there were groups of peoples and organizations who rejected the war, but the anti-war movement despite all its errors, it vanished from the face of the earth, only during the war in Iraq it appeared again involved in the flag of nationalism and patriotism, and give me back my democracy.

    The Socialist Party took the correct stand during the Vietnam war and it produced many criticisms against them because we did not follow the stand of the left who was supporting the Vietcong, and now they are part of the Vietnamese ruling class and collaborator of the western capitalist powers.

    In all wars, we have taken the correct stand and we have been criticized by the left, and later one they have been forced to rectify themselves and raise their own critic, but we have never had to make any type of corrections or rectifications, because our decision is based on socialist principles, instead of leftwing principles.

    Right now the whole left is supporting Maduro and the Venezuelan government, and all of them are raising the flag of anti-imperialism, and anti-yankeeism, and supporting the Russian and the Chinese, they stop supporting one capitalist group to fall in the arms of another capitalist group.

    #182762
    alanjjohnstone
    Participant

    I think we have to emphasise that being Anti-America is not anti-capitalism. That it can lead to Pro-Russia or Pro-China positions.

    The enemy of our enemy is not our friend.

    The more we connect the economic gains and losses perhaps the easier our challenge.

    Once again our position must be that when socialism is not on the agenda, we retain a commitment to democratic processes that express the will of the working class, even if it is for political parties that do not act in the interests of the working class.

    #182790
    alanjjohnstone
    Participant

    The sanctions screw tightens

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47036491

    “US Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said the proceeds of the purchase of Venezuelan oil would now be withheld from  Maduro’s government, but the company could avoid sanctions by recognizing Guaidó. Venezuela is heavily reliant on the US for its oil revenue – sending 41% of its oil exports there – while it remains in the top four crude oil suppliers to the US…The US action blocks all PDVSA property and interests subject to US jurisdiction, and prohibits US citizens from engaging in transactions with them. But Mnuchin said US-based subsidiary Citgo could continue operations if its earnings were deposited in a blocked account in the US..”

    Ivan Briscoe, the International Crisis Group’s program director for Latin America, thought Maduro could survive additional sanctions. He warned that the situation for Venezuelans would get worse should the US, China and Russia continue to treat the country as a “football in a bigger political game”.

     

    #182879
    alanjjohnstone
    Participant

    https://libcom.org/blog/against-all-capitalist-factions-proletarian-independence-30012019

    The ICT take.

    “Neither Maduro nor Guaidó have anything to offer the working-class in the face of this turmoil. The United States, Brazil and Russia seek nothing but the best outcome in line with their own imperialist interests. Looming is the possibility of war. Guaranteed is civil instability and declining living standards…to declare allegiance with a Maduro regime which brutally exploits our brother and sister Venezuelan workers can only distance us from them”

    #182880
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    The situation is very delicate , dangerous and complex because class brothers can kill each other in an internal war. The USA continue inciting the military to rebel which is ilegal under the USA legal system and Venezuela has indicated that they have two millions milicianos ready to fight and guerrillas forces have indicated that they are ready to fight too   The USA is also pointing their fingers toward Nicaragua and probably they are going to include Cuba   Venezuela and Cuba are heavily armed with modern weapons and Cuba has more world support than Venezuela

    #182881
    Anonymous
    Inactive

     

     

    Venezuela

    Are referring to the Latin American rulers or to the general population ?   The history of the struggles in that region shows something different of what you have said

    #182882
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    The other dangerous aspect of this situation is the possible military intervention of Russia or China. to protect theirs investments

    #182883
    alanjjohnstone
    Participant

    I do not understand your post in message #182881

    #182886
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    You are right, the United States does consider Latin America its back yard over which it can dictate political policy. But has Latin America ever opposed the Monroe Doctrine which provides the USA with official power to constantly intervene whenever it feels necessary?  It seems to me as if Latin American nations are quite happy with the present arrangement.

    In fact, the cooperation of neighbouring countries, such as Brazil, Argentina and Chile, legitimizes the Monroe Doctrine by lending the USA moral support in its intended intervention and makes the meddling seem more like a joint operation of regional cooperating nations which are trying to fix a local instability

     

    I do not understand your post in message #182881

     

    I was referring to this message

    #182888
    alanjjohnstone
    Participant

    Chomsky’s view on Venezuela

    Q. Venezuela seems to be in the throes of a civil war. The US backs Juan Guaidó as interim president, in turn forcing Nicolás Maduro to consider expelling US diplomats, a decision he eventually backed away from, all while the leaders of China, Russia and Turkey slam Trump’s stance in Venezuela. First, what’s your assessment of what’s happening in Venezuela, and, second, why is it that much of the left worldwide continues to support Maduro when it is obvious that he has been a complete disaster?

    A. Maduro has been a disaster, and the best the opposition has to offer is the self-declared President Juan Guaidó. About him little is known, apart from his great admiration for the neo-fascist Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro, whom Guaidó praised for his commitment to “democracy [and] human rights,” as illustrated, for example, by his criticism of Brazil’s military dictatorship — because it … didn’t murder 30,000 people as in neighboring Argentina, the worst of the vicious military dictatorships that swept across South America from the ‘60s.

    The roots of the Venezuelan disaster go back to failures of the Chavez administration, including its failure to diversify the economy, which is still almost entirely reliant on oil export. Venezuelan opposition economist Francisco Rodríguez, former chief Andean economist for the Bank of America, notes the failure of the government to set aside reserves during the period of high oil prices so it was at the mercy of international financial markets when prices dropped sharply in 2014 — and has been blocked from access to credit by harsh US sanctions, which have exacerbated the effects of what Rodríguez describes as the “atrocious” mismanagement of the economy under Maduro. Writing in Foreign Policy, Rodríguez observes that the policy of “Starving the Venezuelan economy of its foreign currency earnings risks turning the country’s current humanitarian crisis into a full-blown humanitarian catastrophe.” Arguably that is the purpose, following the Nixon-Kissinger script of “making the economy scream” to undermine the Allende regime. (That was the soft track; the hard track, soon implemented, was brutal military dictatorship.)

    The drift toward civil war, with outside interference, is all too apparent. There is still room for negotiations among the contending parties, but it diminishes daily as the crisis deepens. Maduro is digging and Washington is intensifying its intervention, imposing new sanctions and selecting the egregious Elliott Abrams to join Bolton and Pompeo in what has been called “Trump’s axis of evil.” If skeletons can shudder, many must be doing so in the Central American countries that Abrams helped to ravage during Reagan’s terrorist wars.

    Chomsky: Ocasio-Cortez and Other Newcomers Are Rousing the Multitudes

    #182890
    alanjjohnstone
    Participant

    Serkan Bayram, a member of Turkey’s ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) and chairman of the Turkey-Venezuela Inter-Parliamentary Friendship Group, says there are political and economic reasons for the increasingly close relationship between both countries.

    Turkey, says Bayram, is working to boost trade in general and Venezuela falls within this policy. According to the Turkish government statistics, Turkey in 2018 imported $900 million (€780 million) in precious metals from the Latin American country. Much of this is believed to be gold. And Venezuela announced last year that it intends refine its gold in Turkey, rather than Switzerland, to bypass international restrictions.

    https://www.dw.com/en/turkey-and-venezuela-the-rise-of-a-new-alliance/a-47302588

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