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  • #107023
    Anonymous
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    ALB wrote:
    Anybody here remembers Cardinal Sin?

    He was a Chinese- Filipino Bishop and Cardinal,  he was part of the movement that overthrew Marcos and Estrada in the Philipines, and their successors were two women. He was part of the Peoples Power Revolutionhttps://socialistworker.org/2016/03/03/people-power-upends-a-dictator

    #107024
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Pope Francis has told oil company chiefs that the world must switch to clean energy because climate change risks destroying humanity…The world needed to come up with an energy mix that combatted pollution, eliminated poverty and promoted social justice.“Civilisation requires energy, but energy use must not destroy civilisation,” he said "If we are to eliminate poverty and hunger … the more than one billion people without electricity today need to gain access to it,” Francis told them. “But that energy should also be clean, by a reduction in the systematic use of fossil fuels. Our desire to ensure energy for all must not lead to the undesired effect of a spiral of extreme climate changes due to a catastrophic rise in global temperatures, harsher environments and increased levels of poverty.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/09/pope-francis-tells-oil-bosses-world-must-wean-itself-off-fossil-fuels

    #107025
    Anonymous
    Inactive
    ALB wrote:
    Anybody here remember Cardinal Sin?

    Brought up a catholic I know this one. It's a particular type of sin. In order of seriousness there's Venial Sin, Mortal Sin and Cardinal Sin. A Cardinal sin would be one of the seven deadly sins (I am guilty of all seven)  "venial sin is a lesser sin that does not result in a complete separation from God and eternal damnation in Hell" Like holding a Summer School on Intersectionality.An example of a mortal sin  would be voting for any one of the capitalist parties. 

    #107026
    Anonymous
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    patreilly wrote:
    ALB wrote:
    Anybody here remember Cardinal Sin?

    Brought up a catholic I know this one. It's a particular type of sin. In order of seriousness there's Venial Sin, Mortal Sin and Cardinal Sin. A Cardinal sin would be one of the seven deadly sins (I am guilty of all seven)  "venial sin is a lesser sin that does not result in a complete separation from God and eternal damnation in Hell" Like holding a Summer School on Intersectionality.An example of a mortal sin  would be voting for any one of the capitalist parties. 

    I think Adam was referring to Cardinal Jaime Sin of the Philippines

    #154468
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Pope Francis has told young people that populism starts by sowing hate. He noted Hitler and Nazi Germany rose to power through the use of populism.

    He said there should be more efforts to teach young people about the history of World War One and World War Two, “so that they do not fall into the same mistake and know how populism spreads.”

    https://www.dw.com/en/pope-francis-says-populism-leads-to-hitler/a-46012149

     

     

    #160824
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Talking the talk again but still not walking the walk

    Pope Francis railed against social inequality on Sunday as he marked the second “World Day of the Poor”.

    “The cry of the poor daily becomes stronger but heard less, drowned out by the din of the rich few, who grow ever fewer and more rich,” he said, “Let us ask for the grace to hear the cry of all those tossed by the waves of life,” the pope said. “It is the cry of all those forced to flee their homes and native land for an uncertain future. It is the cry of entire peoples, deprived even of the great natural resources at their disposal… while the wealthy few feast on what, in justice, belongs to all.”

    Rather then fishes and loaves, the Pope handed out lasagna, mashed potatoes and tiramisu to the poor.

    https://www.dnaindia.com/world/report-on-world-day-of-the-poor-pope-francies-rallies-against-social-inequality-laments-din-of-rich-few-2686977

    #173545
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Pope Francis on Tuesday condemned nationalist leaders who blame migrants for their countries’ problems and themselves fostered mistrust in society by pursuing dishonest gain and xenophobic and racist policies.

    “Political addresses that tend to blame every evil on migrants and to deprive the poor of hope are unacceptable,” said the pope, who did not mention any countries or leaders.

    He said today’s times were “marked by a climate of mistrust rooted in the fear of others or of strangers, or anxiety about one’s personal security.”

    Francis said it was sad that mistrust was “also seen at the political level, in attitudes of rejection or forms of nationalism that call into question the fraternity of which our globalised world has such great need.”

    http://news.trust.org/item/20181218102231-c3zm9/

    #173658
    Dave B
    Participant

     

    We had a discussion about communist Jesus on this forum with the author of that book ; Roman Montero.

     

    His thesis was JC was plugging the debt forgiveness thing.

     

    After the incorporation of Judea or whatever into the Roman Empire and application of Roman financial law etc.

     

    The Judean peasantry would have periodic cash flow problems and be forced to borrow  money.

     

    Eventually getting in over their heads and having the farm foreclosed and being forced into agricultural wage slavery by the new owners of their land.

     

     

    It looks like Michael Hudson has picked up on it.

     

     

    http://www.unz.com/mhudson/debt-jubilee/

    #176192
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    The head of the first globalist organization attacks nationalism

    http://news.trust.org/item/20190107123654-htkju/

    #176223
    vincentM
    Participant

     

     

    Alan said:

    The head of the first globalist organization attacks nationalism

    http://news.trust.org/item/20190107123654-htkju/

     

    Alan

    just out of interest, shouldn’t this post include the caveat that you do not support the Pope nor the Catholic church.  (personally I don’t think it should.

    I tweeted your post and it could appear that I support the statement from the Pope

    I ask in order to perhaps help members understand ‘Twitter’ better.

    #176262
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Vinnie, Irony rarely works on the web and calling the Catholic church globalist (universalist) was a  bit of sarcasm as the term is being seen as a modern description.

    As you can see I have been posting a lot of the Pope’s comments – mainly because I agree with James Connolly – that to survive the Catholic church will adopt even a “revolutionary” position, no matter how hypocritical it is to its creed.

    “…the man who imagines that in the supreme hour of the proletarian struggle for victory the Church will definitely line up with the forces of capitalism, and pledge her very existence as a Church upon the hazardous chance of the capitalists winning, simply does not understand the first thing about the policy of the Church in the social or political revolutions of the past. Just as in Ireland the Church denounced every Irish revolutionary movement in its day of activity, as in 1798, 1848 and 1867, and yet allowed its priests to deliver speeches in eulogy of the active spirits of those movements a generation afterwards, so in the future the Church, which has its hand close upon the pulse of human society, when it realises that the cause of capitalism is a lost cause it will find excuse enough to allow freedom of speech and expression to those lowly priests whose socialist declarations it will then use to cover and hide the absolute anti-socialism of the Roman Propaganda. When that day comes the Papal Encyclical against socialism will be conveniently forgotten by the Papal historians, and and the socialist utterances, of the von Kettelers, the McGlynns, and McGradys will be heralded forth and the communistic utterances of the early fathers as proofs of Catholic sympathy with progressive ideas. Thus it has been in the past. Thus it will be…”

    #176320
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Actually in the end it ended up the other way round, with Connolly dying “in the faith” with the last rites from a catholic priest (or whatever religious catholics have to  before they die).

    I suspect he was always a secret catholic. After all, he sent his kids to a catholic school when he didn’t have to since he had married a protestant. And then there was his falling out with Daniel De Leon over De Leon’s opposition to the catholic church or rather to its “ultramontanism” (your “globalism” ? even claim to world domination, logical if you claim to be god’s representative on Earth).

    #176322
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Found De Leon’s pamphlet The Vatican in Politics. Ultramontanism: The Catholic Political Machine in Action:

    historiayverdad.org/Babilonia/the-vatican-in-politics-the-roman-catholic-political-machine-in-action-daniel-de-leon.pdf

    The trouble is that you have to read it sideways.

    A bit surprising that the SLP of America were still issuing as a pamphlet as late as 1962.

    #182270
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Pope Francis suggested on Wednesday that hostility to immigrants was driven by irrational fear, as he headed to Central America.

    “Fear makes us crazy,” Francis said.

    http://news.trust.org/item/20190123134224-02eny/

    #183518
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Francis condemned unfair access to food around the world as “perverse” on Thursday, saying it threatened disaster for humanity if not remedied.
    “Few have too much and many have little,” he said.

    “Many do not have food and are adrift while the few are drowning in the superfluous,” said the pope, “This perverse tendency of inequality is disastrous for the future of humanity.”

    In the pope’s home continent Latin America, the number of people in extreme poverty increased in 2017 to the highest in almost a decade despite improvements in social spending policies.

    “They live precarious situations: the air is flawed, the natural resources are depleted, the rivers polluted, the soil is acidified,” Francis said of the world’s most disadvantaged. “They do not have enough water for themselves or their crops, their sanitary infrastructures are very deficient, their housing scarce and defective.”

    Francis said it was “paradoxical” that many of the more than 820 million people suffering hunger and malnutrition live in rural areas where most food is produced.

    The global exodus from rural to urban areas was worrying, he added.

    http://news.trust.org/item/20190214111955-l4mfd/

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