The Pope

May 2024 Forums General discussion The Pope


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    Pope the Economist, “Fratelli Tutti” (Brothers All)

    Pope Francis said that the COVID-19 pandemic was the latest crisis to prove that market forces alone and “trickle-down” economic policies had failed to produce the social benefits their proponents claim.

    Francis also said private property cannot be considered an absolute right in all cases where some lived extravagantly while others had nothing.
    Society must confront “the destructive effects of the empire of money”.

    Francis repeated past calls for redistribution of wealth to help the poorest and for fairer access to natural resources by all.

    The pope wrote that the belief of early Christians – “that if one person lacks what is necessary to live with dignity, it is because another person is detaining it” – was still valid.


    Bonum est.


    He will have as much chance as that being implemented as he has had in stopping catholics using contraceptives.

    Unrealisticus reformismus est.,


    He writes: “Let us dream, then, as a single human family, as fellow travellers sharing the same flesh, as children of the same earth which is our common home, each of us bringing the richness of his or her beliefs and convictions, each of us with his or her own voice, brothers and sisters all.”

    The Pope again affirms, and since rights have no borders, no one can remain excluded, regardless of  where they are born. In this perspective the Pontiff also calls us to consider “an ethics of international relations” , because every country  also belongs to foreigners and the goods of the territory cannot be denied to those who are in need and come from another place.

    Francis says a “certain regression” has taken place in today’s world. He notes the rise of “myopic, extremist, resentful and aggressive nationalism” in some countries, and “new forms of selfishness and a loss of the social sense”.

    “we are more alone than ever” in a world of “limitless consumerism” and “empty individualism” where there is a “growing loss of the sense of history”

    “Hyperbole, extremism and polarisation” have become political tools in many countries, he writes, without “healthy debates” and long-term plans but rather “slick marketing techniques aimed at discrediting others”.

    He notes that “we are growing ever more distant from one another” and that voices “raised in defence of the environment are silenced and ridiculed”



    Pope Francis urged people to pull investments from companies that are not committed to protecting the environment, adding his voice to calls for the economic model that emerges from the coronavirus pandemic to be a sustainable one.

    “Science tells us, every day with more precision, that we need to act urgently … if we are to have any hope of avoiding radical and catastrophic climate change,” he said. “The current economic system is unsustainable. We are faced with a moral imperative … to rethink many things,” he said, listing means of production, consumerism, waste, indifference to the poor, and harmful energy sources.

    Bijou Drains

    Alan, all of this positive spin you’re putting on the Poope, you wouldn’t have a completed Form A application in the name of Jorge Mario Bergoglio tucked in your back pocket, would you?




    Googling this geezer you mentioned – Jorge Mario Bergoglio  – I was astonished to discover the following:


    Pope Francis did spend a short time working outside of the church, including as a chemical technician and nightclub bouncer. However, the seminary was ultimately his calling. He became ordained in 1969.

    While working in the church can be a path to wealth, most consider Pope Francis a modest man. He is far less extravagant than some previous popes, so his net worth may be lower than his predecessors.

    However, Pope Francis’ net worth is still substantial. Some estimate his personal net worth to be near $25 to $28 million. However, some believe that number is much smaller or even substantially larger. Pope Francis does have control over certain Vatican assets, though these do not apply to his net worth.



    Bijou Drains

    Might be worth progressing that Form A then, I’ll give the legacies committee the heads up


    As always, the Vatican is up to its dirty tide-mark neck in financial skull-duggery

    As for the reason i link frequently to the Pope’s “lefty” beliefs is that they form solid quotes for anyone writing articles on many social issue topics to springboard to our own views.

    The politics of the leader of 2 billion “faithful” can’t be so easily neglected even if some like Stalin asked how many regiments the Pope possessed as if military might was the only power, (although millions of women totally ignore the Papacy on contraception and abortion.)

    After all, the BBC treats whatever the sainted David Attenborough utters as almost infallible.



    Will or won’t he?

    Andrés Manuel López Obrador, Mexico’s president, has written to Pope Francis to ask for an apology for the Catholic church’s role in the oppression of indigenous people in the Spanish conquest 500 years ago.

    López Obrador said the Spanish crown, Spain’s government and the Vatican should apologise to native people for the “most reprehensible atrocities” committed after Spanish conquistadors arrived in Mexico in 1521.


    Pope Francis has said that he thinks same-sex couples should be allowed to have “civil unions”.

    “Homosexual people have a right to be in a family,” he said in the film, which premiered on Wednesday. “They are children of God and have a right to a family. Nobody should be thrown out or made miserable over it.

    “What we have to create is a civil union law. That way they are legally covered.”

    L.B. Neill

    A step toward for Catholics who feel sub-alternative due to their sexuality.

    In many jurisdictions- blended families and rainbow families have been around and making families for a long time.

    Those who are Catholic had felt torn- grace was theirs but doctrine is conflicted.

    Legal coverage: civil union. Little out of sorts- does that mean ecclesiastical law can create a civil law?

    I am perplexed- any clues?


    This is what I don’t understand. Why do homosexuals etc. want to join organisations like the Pauline Christian Churches – Roman, Greek, or Protestant – which reprove and condemn homosexuality, and why should these abandon their millenia-old Pauline rules?
    If sexual minorities, or anyone, want to be Christians with different rules, why not set up their own Church, and their own, non-Pauline, Bible?

    I am for total sexual freedom, being a socialist, but it seems sexual minority Christians want both sides of the bread buttered. If they want to belong to an organisation, shouldn’t they expect to obey its rules. Don’t organisations like the churches have as much “right” to their rules as individuals have to their freedoms?
    If you don’t like an organisation’s rules, join a different one or set up your own.

    Why would any homosexual read Paul’s recommendation (Romans chap. I) that homosexuals deserve to burn, and want to be a Pauline Christian and member of any Pauline Christian Church?


    The Pope back-tracks on gay marriage

    The Vatican has reaffirmed Pope Francis’ opposition to homosexual marriage in a letter sent to bishops around the world. The letter argues that the pope’s comments in support of same-sex unions were heavily edited.


    The Pope’s message resonates with the “humane” capitalists in Italy.

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