Syria and Chemical weapons

February 2024 Forums General discussion Syria and Chemical weapons

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  • #126514
    robbo203
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    alanjjohnstone wrote:
    .As i touched on earlier, we cannot ignore that it is North Korea that is the real target. A gesture that cannot be retaliated by Syria but if directed upon Korea, i think they would seek revenge.  

     It looks like the Chinese are now preparing themselves for a US attack on North Koreahttp://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/china-moves-150000-troops-and-medical-supplies-to-north-korean-border-in-case-us-attacks-kim-jong-un-regime/ar-BBzFB5g?li=AAmiR2Z&ocid=spartandhp If such an attack came I wonder what pretext would be manufactured by Trump and his merry band of war crimminals.  Firing a few dud missiles into the sea, though "provocative", is probably not enough to constitute a casus belli and as for human rights violations, well, considering the US is in bed with some of the very worst human rights violaters – Saudi Arabia for example – that is gonna be a tricky one to pull off in the eyes of increasingly skeptical public Capitalist politics is just a very bad form of theatre.

    #126515
    robbo203
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    Something here on the role of the "White Helmets" – by the sound  if it, a sort of Al Queda/ISIS amateur dramatic society much adored by some in the Western media for their compelling performances  http://theduran.com/warning-disturbing-images-white-helmets-busted-killing-babies-in-pr-stunt-to-start-war-in-syria/

    #126516
    Dave B
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    There has been a series of good articles on the subject at consortium news including the one below were Parry takes the sensible approach of analysing the opinions of important sections of the ruling US political class with this quote from the Washington Post.   Kagan continued, “Trump……….. Now he has taken an important first step in repairing the damage, but this will not be the end of the story. America’s adversaries are not going to be convinced by one missile strike that the United States is back in the business of projecting power to defend its interests and the world order. … “The testing of Trump’s resolve actually begins now. If the United States backs down in the face of these challenges, the missile strike, though a worthy action in itself, may end up reinforcing the world’s impression that the United States does not have the stomach for confrontation.” https://consortiumnews.com/2017/04/10/neocons-have-trump-on-his-knees/ And this one from Scott Ritter at ICH.  http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46832.htm  I think there were quite a lot of Americans voted for Trump just in the desperate hope that he was less likely to start world war III with the Russians. Including members of the US Green party for whom he was the ecological anti-christ. When you think the stakes are that high, or as high as they can be, it is difficult to blame them really. The 180 degree turn that the Trump has made in a few days is so surprising, even by contemporary standards, it isn’t easy to fathom. As to the details and likelihood of the chemical weapon incident having been committed by Assad with Russian complicity (which would have to be the case as the Russians were at the airfield from which it was carried out) I think you would need to be a bit of a simpleton or badly informed to be just “sceptical”.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Himmler  It would have been quite simple to co-ordinate a WMD incident with a Syrian/Russian bombing raid. With more even more egregious implications. The Russians have for sometime being giving the Americans 48 hours notice of aerial bombing activity etc to avoid any potential difficulties concerning them both flying around at the same time and place etc.  [When Turkey shot down that Russian plane the Russian said they had given the flight plan to the US 24 hours beforehand and the Turkish planes that shot it down were waiting for it at low altitude to avoid being picked up by the on board Russian planes radar- so they said]  But all that is bollocks at the end of the day as was the 28 June 1914 Sarajevo‘ incident’. The last beat of the War Drum, and tick of the clock, is always when the innocent, and this time, ‘beautiful’ as well, babies enter the narrative. Be they impaled on bayonets or being tossed out of Kuwaiti incubators.  The ugly babies will no doubt come later; as night follows day. http://www.makewarshistory.co.uk/?p=938  Hegel remarks somewherethat all great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1852/18th-brumaire/ch01.htm

    #126517
    Bijou Drains
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    The War of the Spanish succession which arguably ended Spain's role as a hegemonic power in the world began in 1702, ending with France as the leading world powerThe Napoleonic wars which arguably ended France's role as a hegemonic power in the world began in 1803, ending with Britain as the leading world powerThe First World War which arguably ended Britain's role as a hegemonic power int he world began in 1914, ending with the USA as the leading world powerDon't mean to be pessimistic guys, but none of the previous leading world powers has given up their title peacefully, and the USA's 100 odd years or so is now just about up.

    #126518
    Anonymous
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    The turn of Trump is not a surprise to me   It is the normal course of American imperialism. It's history which I know  shows that. Those are the signs of a sinking ship or the old Titanic Trump is an old phenomenon which starts when the puritan placed their foot on the ground  The time of kicking butts  are gone   There are too many ready to kick butts too  With all its military hardware the usa is becoming a second or third level power like England   Trump was planning to play Chinese checker with. XI but he is an old fox coming from the  old school of mao. 200 years of history can be taking over with 5000 years of culture. China was also a big empire and they are going to be the biggest one again  those missiles sent by arrogants macho men do not scare them  they have others missiles known as capital  and they are launching them  around the whole world. China is the factory of everybody

    #126519
    ALB
    Keymaster

    A result of the last time they brought about "regime change":https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/10/libya-public-slave-auctions-un-migrationMaybe that's what they want in Syria too: no state just war lords as the price of depriving Russia of a naval base in the Mediterranean.

    #126520
    Anonymous
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    ALB wrote:
    A result of the last time they brought about "regime change":https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/10/libya-public-slave-auctions-un-migrationMaybe that's what they want in Syria too: no state just war lords as the price of depriving Russia of a naval base in the Mediterranean.

     They want to do what they always did with the Soviet Union,  which was to splitt countries in ethnical divisions, and frontiers. They want to divide Libya, Irag, Iran.  and Syria, to create weaker states easy to be dominated, and easily take all the resources. Where  ever they go, they destroy everything, and drug trafick follow them. The Roman Empire took part of the Greek culture, but this new empire only bring the culture of death, and ignorance

    #126521
    alanjjohnstone
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    Gareth Porter, a respected journalist, has this theory on what chemical was used – Phosphinehttp://www.truth-out.org/news/item/40222-new-revelations-belie-trump-claims-on-syria-chemical-attack

    #126522
    Anonymous
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    Israel is one of the biggest manufacturers and supplier of Phosphine

    #126523
    ALB
    Keymaster

    If some of the rebels are capable of deliberately targetting children in this way:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4417804/Children-lured-CRISPS-Syria-suicide-bomber.htmlsurely it is quite plausible that they could have staged a chemical attack?Anyway, where's the big fuss about this — Security Council resolutions, Boris bombasting, tomahawk missile launches? There won't be because these are "our "bastards, some of  those the West is using to achieve "regime change" in Syria.

    #126524
    moderator1
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    #126525
    Sympo
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    I haven't read the article you linked but the guy who owns the site Globalresearch is a 9/11 conspiracy theorist. So be sceptical of everything you read on that site. RationalWiki has an article about it:Globalresearch – RationalWiki

    #126526
    moderator1
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    Sympo wrote:

    I haven't read the article you linked but the guy who owns the site Globalresearch is a 9/11 conspiracy theorist. So be sceptical of everything you read on that site. RationalWiki has an article about it:Globalresearch – RationalWiki

    I was aware the site pushes half truths.  I found it interesting for the confirmation that the actual chemical is still unidentified.

    #126527
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    The always insightful war correspondent Robert Fisk on the hypocrisy and double standards of tears for some beautiful children and absolutely none for others. http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-suicide-attack-refugee-buses-trump-only-cares-sunni-children-a7687066.html

    #126528
    alanjjohnstone
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    http://www.alternet.org/world/trumps-missile-attack-syria-justified-fabricated-intelligenceAn article that re-iterates that we still are in the dark concerning basic facts of the chemical attack. Phyllis Bennis, director of the New Internationalism Project at the Institute for Policy Studies

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    "The Syrian government may well be responsible for the attack, or others may have been involved,” she said. “But without an independent, international investigation, we simply don't know. That means the Organization for the Prevention of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) [an international body with 192 member countries] must be given a full and complete and open mandate to follow all leads and report fully.” “Similarly, we have reports from Turkey that autopsies on some of the bodies indicated the gas was sarin; reportedly OPCW and/or U.N. scientists were present,” Bennis continued. “But the reports come only from the official Turkish medical/forensic authorities. Again, without a full and thorough independent investigation, all of the unknowns remain just that.”

     Theodore Postol, a professor of Science, Technology, and International Security at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

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    “I’m saying that a so-called White House intelligence report issued on April 11 is totally inconsistent with the claims it’s making. I’m not so much saying that I know what happened, because actually I don’t. What I do know is that this report was, to be blunt, fabricated without the intelligence methodologies that it claims to have used. Because I have data that I have been poring over… for example, there’s video data of this crater that they allege was the source of an air attack, an air munitions. It was not an air munition. You could see that very easily. So the issue is that the White House issued a false intelligence report and the reasons [why] I don’t know,” Postol said. “But one possibility is they are trying to cover up their tracks because they didn’t know what was going on and they attacked a foreign power. And that is not good.”
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