Syria and Chemical weapons

April 2024 Forums General discussion Syria and Chemical weapons

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  • #126499
    robbo203
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    mcolome1 wrote:
     Probably, the USA goverment spent 95 millions dollars to impress the Chinese president with their millitary forces, but It  did not work out too well either, and in the meeting it looks like China was in a stronger position, they have something that is as strong as millitary hardware, which is capital, China is going to increase their capital investment in the USA which is over 51  billions. The USA does not want to recognize that within a few years China is going  to become the number one world economic power. 

     According to the IMF China is already the number one world economic power. http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-30483762 At any rate, it looks like the 21st century is going to be the Chinese century just as the 20th century was the American  century – that is if we dont achieve world socialism first.

    #126500
    Anonymous
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    robbo203 wrote:
    mcolome1 wrote:
     Probably, the USA goverment spent 95 millions dollars to impress the Chinese president with their millitary forces, but It  did not work out too well either, and in the meeting it looks like China was in a stronger position, they have something that is as strong as millitary hardware, which is capital, China is going to increase their capital investment in the USA which is over 51  billions. The USA does not want to recognize that within a few years China is going  to become the number one world economic power. 

     According to the IMF China is already the number one world economic power. http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-30483762 At any rate, it looks like the 21st century is going to be the Chinese century just as the 20th century was the American  century – that is if we dont achieve world socialism first.

     Others sources like Forbes and the Economists have indicated that in 2018 the Chinese economy will overtake US. The IMF is referring to the size of the Chinese economy, but others sources have also indicated that it is going to be larger in size, in investment and in millitary power, and spheres of influences. China already made an offer to Meixco in case that Nafta failsAnother change that is going to take place is that the Latinos ( Latin American )  are going to be the larger population , and the larger working force in the USA,   and in some area they are already the largest population, and it will not make any  difference if they try to deport the undocumented workers, and their economical contribution is going to be larger too.The ideas spread  by the ultra-nationalists that immigrants do not contribue with anything is a  total lie, even more, undocumented workers do contribute too with the economical growth and taxation, even that they employers do not pay taxes for them, they pay an enormous amount of excise taxes in gasoline, sales tax, and indirectly real estate taxes thru their landlords,If they are deported many neighborhoods and landlords will lose their real estate property, and that would be a reduction of taxes for the states,  and many areas will become ghost towns, ( like it happened in 1930 )  and business would go in bankurptcy including farming, agriculture,banks,  and retail business 

    #126501
    robbo203
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    mcolome1 wrote:
     Others sources like Forbes and the Economists have indicated that in 2018 the Chinese economy will overtake US. The IMF is referring to the size of the Chinese economy, but others sources have also indicated that it is going to be larger in size, in investment and in millitary power, and spheres of influences. China already made an offer to Meixco in case that Nafta fails 

     Not too sure about military power though.  China has a long long way to go before it will catch up with the US in military spending.  The US Military spending is about 2 1/2 times the size of China's  and as a percentage of GDP its also greater.Here is an interesting list of the top miitary spenders,  The surprise  for me was Saudi Arabia which even beats Russia into third place https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

    #126502
    Anonymous
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    #126503
    Anonymous
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    robbo203 wrote:
    mcolome1 wrote:
     Others sources like Forbes and the Economists have indicated that in 2018 the Chinese economy will overtake US. The IMF is referring to the size of the Chinese economy, but others sources have also indicated that it is going to be larger in size, in investment and in millitary power, and spheres of influences. China already made an offer to Meixco in case that Nafta fails 

     Not too sure about military power though.  China has a long long way to go before it will catch up with the US in military spending.  The US Military spending is about 2 1/2 times the size of China's  and as a percentage of GDP its also greater.Here is an interesting list of the top miitary spenders,  The surprise  for me was Saudi Arabia which even beats Russia into third place https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

    That is what many sources are indicating, I am not saying that it might takes place within a couple of years. We must note that one screw for the Pentagon cost almost a thousands dollars, and for others countries it cost less less than. They were buying toilet seat for $250.00. The US millitary budget  is larger than all the others countries combined, last budget was 626 billions. The nationalist complain for a couple of dollars that a Mexican workers receive in Food Stamps, but they do not complain about the high cost of millitary spending, a Mexican worker contribute more than a Machine Gun

    #126504
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    From the media that pledged never to sleep-walk into another war as they did in 2003http://www.alternet.org/media/five-top-papers-run-18-opinion-pieces-praising-syria-strikes-zero-are-critical-0

    #126505
    Anonymous
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    mcolome1 wrote:
    robbo203 wrote:
    mcolome1 wrote:
     Others sources like Forbes and the Economists have indicated that in 2018 the Chinese economy will overtake US. The IMF is referring to the size of the Chinese economy, but others sources have also indicated that it is going to be larger in size, in investment and in millitary power, and spheres of influences. China already made an offer to Meixco in case that Nafta fails 

     Not too sure about military power though.  China has a long long way to go before it will catch up with the US in military spending.  The US Military spending is about 2 1/2 times the size of China's  and as a percentage of GDP its also greater.Here is an interesting list of the top miitary spenders,  The surprise  for me was Saudi Arabia which even beats Russia into third place https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

    That is what many sources are indicating, I am not saying that it might takes place within a couple of years. We must note that one screw for the Pentagon cost almost a thousands dollars, and for others countries it cost less less than. They were buying toilet seat for $250.00. The US millitary budget  is larger than all the others countries combined, last budget was 626 billions. The nationalist complain for a couple of dollars that a Mexican workers receive in Food Stamps, but they do not complain about the high cost of millitary spending, a Mexican worker contribute more than a Machine Gun

     Having large expenses in millitary hardware does not provide superioty, it is the type of technology used, and the type of army that every country has, and the millitary training of the soldiers, the mental training of the soldiers,  a war is won when the army confront each other, it was something indicated by Mao Tse Tung on his millitary books.The Russians have certain electronic technology that the US army does not have, and the Tomahaws were intercepted with Hypersonic anti-missiles system, in 2014 a Russian airplane was able to disarm one of the most sophisticated batleship of the USA,The Vietcong using backward technology was  able to defeat the  American army, the German had a superior army, and they sent they best soldiers to the  Eastern front and they were defeated, in Manchurria the Red Army defeated the cream of the Japanese Army, and they were ready to continue toward Japan to split the cake with the AmericansThe US has always used secretary in order to fight a war, and they have only won one, and they are still fighting in Iraq and Afganistan and they have not been able to defeat them. During a confrontation with the poor residents  of Ciudad Nueva, the US  sent an army of 50,000 marines and they were forced to negotiate with them, and they have old revolvers and old machine guns,

    #126506
    robbo203
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    The warmongering scum on all sides are at it again – ratcheting up the stakes and increasing the odds in this war of words that could all too easily become a war of horrendously deadly weaponry, if they are not careful, that could wipe out most, it not all, of humanity. Developments can take on a momementum of their own once we cross the line when all rationality breaks down and the irrationality of the war machine takes over http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/syria-crisis-russia-raises-prospect-of-war-if-it-is-given-g7-ultimatum-as-it-mocks-boris-johnsons-no-show/ar-BBzCkUy?li=AAmiR2Z&ocid=spartandhpThese irresponsible idiots need to understand  once and for all that this world is not theirs to play with in this cynical and desparately dangerous game of one-upmanship and macho posturing

    #126507
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Be careful not to take your off another possible warhttp://time.com/4732530/navy-fleet-south-korea-vinson-pyongyang/

    #126508
    Dave B
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    I suppose what is most relevant is not only don’t we have any control over what is going on we don’t even fully understand machinations behind the decisions that they are making. I think the theory that it was supposed to be a Mafia ‘horse’s head in the bed’ message to the Chinese is quite credible. It might have backfired and turned into a demonstration of the efficiency Russian military hardware. The jamming devices apparently interfere with the GPS system on which the cruise missiles depend. After the Russians electronically immobilised that, US ship using different technology apparently, they put six of their aircraft carriers into dock to be completely rewired with fibre optic cables. There was another article in the daily mail today on the fake 2003 Iraqi WMD thing and maybe we should be exercise caution re Assad did this one etc. It was left on the canteen table, it isn’t often I flick through the Daily Mail to find anything politically interesting.

    #126509
    ALB
    Keymaster

    The more I think about it, and I'm not normally into conspiracy theories, the more I think that there is something odd about that chemical attack. It had no advantage for the Syrian government, which was just about to be rehabiltated, and every advantage for those states that want "regime change" there, i.e the installation of a pro-West regime. My betting would be that the Turkish intelligence services would have been more likely to have staged it than the Syrian government.

    #126510
    robbo203
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    ALB wrote:
    The more I think about it, and I'm not normally into conspiracy theories, the more I think that there is something odd about that chemical attack. It had no advantage for the Syrian government, which was just about to be rehabiltated, and every advantage for those states that want "regime change" there, i.e the installation of a pro-West regime. My betting would be that the Turkish intelligence services would have been more likely to have staged it than the Syrian government.

     Yes Im inclined to agree.  The Russans, for one, would be hopping mad if it as discovered that regime was in fact responsible.  I think a lot of people are skeptical.  I posted something this morning in response to the MSN article mentioned in above (post 38) in the commentary section and was gobsmacked this evening when I came back from work to find that it had got  83 likes,  Hopefully its a sign of the times – that people are not going to be so easily conned by the warmongers

    #126511
    Anonymous
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    Dave B wrote:
    the reason for the attack may have been a bit more 'mundane'.  Russia says only 23 out of 59 cruise missiles hit the base. The others were shot down by air defense or diverted by Electronic Counter Measures. The Pentagon insists that all 59 hit. But the pictures and video from the base only show damage to 11 aircraft shelters. Additionally one radar, one missile launcher and a fuel depot were hit. That effect is too small for 59 impacts. The base was in use again 12 hours after the strike.  http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46822.htmie checking each others military hardware out to see just how 'good' the new untested Russian anti missile systems were.

    The corporation that manufactures the missiles is very popular now, their stocks went up and in a few days they made more than 1 billion dollars in profits, and one of the favorite one was Donald Trump who also has investment in that corporation, which means that the president of the USA has investment in the war industry.One of the largest corporation known as General Electric has been purchased by the Chinese and Donald Trump also has investment in that corporation, and they are the ones who manufactures all the appliances used by the US citizens, and they are going to buy the atomic section of that corporation, they were the ones who built most of the atomic plants of the US, Japan, and they initiated the atomic plants of Iran. 

    #126512
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Like everyone on this list, i have no idea whatsoever who did what but we can all speculate. I find it strange that we do not have any very vocal demands for verification of the the identity of the gas from the attack. I recall when Iraq war was ongoing, every missile used by Iraq , the press always called a Scud when in fact they were Exocets or whatever, missiles not covered by any prohibition. Any chemical weapon is now labelled sarin. But what we have to remember is American domestic politics and not foreign policy may have been the determining feature of the motive for the American missile launches1) this so-called "Deep State" reining in Trump – Bannon and another McFarlane, Trump nominee being dismissed from the national security council2) Trump distancing himself from the Putin's "Manchurian candidate" accusations against himself and his campaign team which actually could end in impeachment. As for Assad not having reason to end the war as quickly as he can, he is perhaps facing a very war-weary population and army – a few battle hard-fought victories does not mean an accompanying rise in morale , there are a lot more bitter battles still to be conducted, Idlib being one. I am sure we can go through hthe history of war and find reckless, meanlingless and illogical use of force.As i touched on earlier, we cannot ignore that it is North Korea that is the real target. A gesture that cannot be retaliated by Syria but if directed upon Korea, i think they would seek revenge. Scottish press reveal that components for the Tomahawk missile are manufactured here in Scotland, Marcos, as well as the guidance systems for the smart bombs being used bt Saudis in Yemen. 

    #126513
    Anonymous
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    Who ever dropped the chemical weapons is irrelevant, they are all gangster of the capitallsit society, and both sides have done the same things in different occassions, and it does not make any different if they use Sarin, Chroline, or vinegar. The main purpose is to kill human being to produce profits and to conquer territory and natural resourcesThe only thing that I know is that we are living in dangerous times, and thousands of zombies do not know the consequences of wars,  and are asking for revenge and killing, like vampires they are asking for more blood.The capitalists are not the only one to be blamed, the workers are also part of this killing when many have supported and continue supporting wars and genocides for the sole purpose of defending a piece of land called country, for national pride,  and to march behind of a stupid leader.If human beings do not care about the life of their children,  and the life of others human beings, we are going to be experimenting another world confrontation which might wipe out mankind completely

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