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    alanjjohnstone
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    So the staunch unionists see it as breaking a tie with the UK, treating it separate, and the reason they protested recently.

    While Sinn Fein see this preservation of the single market as part of their project for a united Ireland and don’t want to see that broken.

    But is Johnson’s actions sufficient to end the Good Friday Agreement and have the return to violence which I think is the main concern of NI people?

    Or is it the customary posturing by the polarised politics of NI?

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    alanjjohnstone
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    #220033
    alanjjohnstone
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    The UK’s Brexit “divorce bill” covers the UK’s share of EU debts and liabilities during 47 years of membership, such as paying for infrastructure projects, pensions and sickness benefits for EU officials.

    It is €47.5bn (£40.8bn) according to estimates from Brussels that are higher than the government’s forecasts. €6.8bn, is due for payment by the end of the year.

    In 2018 the Office for Budget Responsibility put the Brexit bill at €41.4bn (£37.1bn). During the Brexit negotiations, British government officials said the final bill would be around £35-39bn.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/08/brexit-divorce-bill-higher-than-uks-forecasts-brussels-estimates

    #220178
    alanjjohnstone
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    RobertS once more produces the goods by finding this article featuring the observations of ex-member and proliferate Socialist Standard writer, Stephen Coleman, now Professor of Political Communication at Leeds University.

    https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/politics/five-years-on-from-brexit-referendum-we-still-define-ourselves-by-how-we-voted-says-leeds-academic-stephen-coleman-3287095

    “This never was primarily about economics except for a very small number of people who were the ones who really pushed hard to make it happen, but for the average voter it was about culture and it was about history.

    “What does it mean to be British, who should come into the country, where is the country positioned in the world, who is it close to? And those are kind of cultural questions, the statistics I’ve mentioned suggests they just persisted for at least half or getting on to two thirds of the population. That is how they still define themselves.

    #220180
    ALB
    Keymaster

    That seems a reasonable analysis and interpretation. Brexit does seem to have been an issue that interested ordinary non-political people more than the sham Tory/Labour fight at elections. Pity it revealed how narrow-minded most were. But I suppose that was predictable in view of the years and years of patriotic and nationalistic propaganda that people have been subjected to.

    I also noticed, despite the idiot adverts in the link, another point Steve Coleman made:

    “ you have Conservatives up here in the North, who are voting because they think the Conservative Party is going to do what Labour used to do which is spend more on them,”

    They’re in for a shock, not that Labour did much for them either. Isn’t this what in US is called pork barrel politics?

    #220234
    alanjjohnstone
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    The UK has launched an attempt to substantially rewrite the Northern Ireland Brexit protocol that enables either the UK or EU to suspend part of the arrangements in extreme circumstances.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/21/uk-substantially-rewrite-northern-ireland-brexit-protocol

    #220236
    ALB
    Keymaster

    A perfect example of perfide Albion. Clearly Johnson signed the Northern Ireland Protocol with no intention of implementing it just to be able to say he had “got Brexit done” and win an election on that basis.

    He hasn’t got Brexit done as is now becoming evident. Not over Gibraltar either.

    I don’t think the EU will give way on this. The notoriously perfidious Johnson is about to find that he can’t have his pork pie and eat it.

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