Keir Starmer New Labour Party Leader

May 2021 Forums General discussion Keir Starmer New Labour Party Leader

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  • #197944
    alanjjohnstone
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    A return to Blairism?

    #197959
    Matthew Culbert
    Keymaster

    He is a centre forward. He’ll pass to the wings better than wimpy “you know” Blair.

    #198051
    Jack_higgon
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    Starmer doesn’t seem to be Blair 2.0. He seems like he might actually be a vaguely reformist critic of capitalism, albeit rather a dull one… Still, it’s been quite entertaining to see so many self-proclaimed socialists departing the labour party, claiming it’s not a socialist party any more – as if it ever was!

    #198111
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Apparently when he was younger he was associated with some Trotskyists even if he might not have known that they were:

    Another ex-Trot: Sir Keir Starmer?

     

    #198181
    alanjjohnstone
    Participant

    The establishment Jewish lobby have applauded the election of Starmer and his pledges to “clean house” but the smears of anti-Semitism against the left has continued

    The Smearing of Ken Loach and Jeremy Corbyn is the Face of our New Toxic Politics

    Loach’s offence, was the fact that he has denied that Labour is institutionally anti-Semitic and that he was somehow associated with a certain GMB union member who had been expelled for being critical of the IHRA definition, Peter Gregson.

     

    #198717
    alanjjohnstone
    Participant

    I read some media articles on this internal report, but none was as brutal as this analysis. Some of us suspected it though.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leak-report-corbyn-election-whatsapp-antisemitism-tories-yougov-poll-a9462456.html

    “Labour party officials opposed to Jeremy Corbyn worked to lose the 2017 general election in the hope that a bad result would trigger a leadership contest to oust him…the party’s right wing, who worked at its HQ, became despondent as Labour climbed in the polls during the election campaign despite their efforts…Tactics by anti-Corbyn staff evidenced in the report include channelling resources to candidates associated with the right wing of the party, refusing to share information with the leader’s office, and “coming into the office and doing nothing for a few months” during the election campaign.

    #198724
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Meet the new shadow Business Secretary : Ed Miliband, avowed supporter  of capitalism.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/may/22/google-corporate-responsibility-ed-miliband-speech

    Trying to make capitalism nicer is the most the Labour Party has always ever aspired to do but, when in office, has always failed to deliver as it’s undeliverable.

    #206568
    alanjjohnstone
    Participant

    Labour’s Left shifts right

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/12/labour-left-must-back-keir-starmer-says-corbyn-adviser

    “The left has got to build an alliance with that centre-left of the party that voted for Starmer…”

    #206913
    alanjjohnstone
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    The “inclusive” PM

    Labour has sacked three junior shadow ministers who joined with Jeremy Corbyn and 14 other Socialist Campaign group MPs in breaking the party’s whip by voting against the second reading of a controversial armed forces bill.

    Nadia Whittome, Beth Winter and Olivia Blake defied the whip, which called on Labour MPs to abstain on the overseas operations bill. The legislation aims to introduce a presumption against prosecution for British soldiers serving abroad.  The proposed presumption against prosecution applies to offences such as war crimes and torture and critics say it breaches international humanitarian law.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/23/minister-says-labour-took-uk-into-wars-during-commons-debate

    #208595
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Apparently the future Labour Prime Minister, Sir Keith Starmer, really was a Trot in his youth. I thought it was just a rumour but it seems not:

    http://another-green-world.blogspot.com/2020/04/when-keir-starmer-was-marxist.html?m=1 u i

    #208757
    J Surman
    Participant

    I’d been thinking about the huge numbers of  people who had joined the Labour party on the strength that Corbyn stood for the principles that they agreed with. Have there been any reports of them resigning in large numbers or are they more likely to just not renew membership? And – what difference would that make anyway?

    “Starmer received £50,000 in personal donations from lobbyist Sir Trevor Chinn to fund his leadership bid.

    It is perfectly plain that Starmer’s aim in suspending Corbyn is to drive the mass membership that Corbyn attracted out of the Labour Party, and make it a reliable arm of the right wing security state. He wants the Labour Party to be financially dependent not on its members, who have annoying principles, but on donors like Chinn.”

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/

    #208758
    J Surman
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    #208759
    J Surman
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    #208760
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Not only that but from his Wikipedia entry:

    “Starmer married Victoria Alexander in 2007. She was previously a solicitor but now works in NHS occupational health. The couple’s son and daughter are being brought up in the Jewish faith of their mother and the family attend Shabbat dinners.”

    Thought I would check up on who Sir Trevor Chinn was and this came up in his Wikipedia entry:

    ”Throughout his life he has also devoted himself to the Jewish community in Britain and supporting Israel in a number of roles, for example: chairman and President of the Joint Israel Appeal, the leading organisation in Britain supporting Israel’s humanitarian needs; board member of The Jewish Community Centre for London, President of Norwood from 1996 to 2006; one of the founders of the Jewish Association for Business Ethics (and now Vice-President). Sir Trevor currently sits on the Executive Committee of the Jewish Leadership Council and the Britain Israel Communications and Research Centre (BICOM)”.

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    #208769
    Young Master Smeet
    Participant

    I’m not sure what bringing his wife and children’s religion into things achieves.

    Nor spotting up the perfectly normal and legitimate lobbying activity of a businessman.  The class analysis is that the vast majority, Jewish and non-Jewish alike are locked out by this kind lobbying.  If it wasn’t Chinn it’d be some other businessman because their power of the purse is required to get ahead in politics.

    All governments and state actors lobby and influence other states: Churchill (beloved of the right) interfered in American politics to drag them into the war on the British side.

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