Keir Starmer New Labour Party Leader

MAY 2022 Forums General discussion Keir Starmer New Labour Party Leader

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  • #208787
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Piers defends his brother:

     

    #208788
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Not much of an endorsement coming from a discredited anti-pandemic lockdown proponent, is it?

    #208797
    ALB
    Keymaster

    He needs to be careful himself in case that “equalities” quango doesn’t brand him as anti-semitic  too, on the grounds that talk of a New World Order is some anti-semitic “trope” (whereas it’s just conspiraloon tripe). Or maybe they’ll just accuse him of “illuminatiphobia”.

    #216662
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Jonathan Cook on Starmer’s first year as Labour Party

    Starmer isn’t “too cautious”: he is ruthlessly tearing Labour apart

    He wants to prove he is a safe pair of hands to the British establishment, in hopes that he can avert the kind of relentless vilification Corbyn endured. Then, Starmer can bide his time until the British public tires of Johnson.

    #217055
    james19
    Participant

    Keir Starmer is thrown out of his Pub, The Raven, in Bath.

    Rod Humphris, 54, told PA he kicked Sir Keir Starmer out of his pub because he “failed to ask the questions that needed asking” about the pandemic.

    “Why have we just accepted lockdown?” he said.

    “Why have we just accepted the loss of all our freedoms?”

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    #217056
    james19
    Participant

    @theravenofbath with Rod Humphris, said his views do not reflect the pub’s

    #220181
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Starmer purges his critics

    Members of Resist, Labour Against the Witchhunt, Labour In Exile Network and Socialist Appeal, Resist and Labour Against the Witchhunt, Labour In Exile Network and Socialist Appeal, could be automatically expelled.

    Labour wants to ban left wing members, but they’re taking the fight to party HQ

    #220182
    ALB
    Keymaster

    I saw that in the papers this morning. The Times, presumably on the basis of something Labour HQ told its journalists, describes “Socialist Appeal” as “communist”. This is wrong both in terms of the logical meaning of the term (a society based on common ownership of productive resources, what we call socialism) nor in the popular misusage of it (to mean support for Stalin and the overseas agencies called “communist parties” that the rulers of state capitalist Russia sponsored). They are of course our old friends, the Militant Tendency (the relatively honest section that didn’t try to usurp our name). And of course they have been banned before by Neil Kinnock.

    #220183
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    I think Labour Against Witchhunt is very much a Weekly Worker baby (I may be wrong) so we can expect indignant articles at the end of the week on its website.

    But what do they all really expect?

    As someone said about Lenin’s reference to support is the same as the rope to hang the Labourite leadership, pretty naive to think they would ever agree to Communist Party affiliation.

    #220184
    Matthew Culbert
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    #220185
    ALB
    Keymaster

    ”Socialist Appeal sources argue that they don’t allow anyone to stand against Labour, they always call for a Labour vote . . .”.

    Of course and they will continue to call for a Labour vote even after they’ve been booted out. As other Trotskyist groups that have voluntarily withdrawn from the Labour Party, such as the SWP, always do. In fact “Vote Labour till Doomsday” could almost be said to be a basic tenet of Trotskyism. They certainly behave as if it is.

    The Labour leaders won’t mind. Volunteer vote-catchers for them which they can disclaim responsibility for.

    #220245
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Well, they went and done it.

    I would have thought that it’s wrong to describe the expelled groups as “far left” except the Trotskyist “Socialist” Appeal or even as pro-Corbyn (even though his anti-lockdown brother turned up to protest, but then JC is not his brother’s keeper).

    They seem to have been expelled for taking an anti-Zionist position rather than a pro-Corbyn one. Anyway, the Jewish Labour Grouo was pleased. Labour’s traditional Muslim voters probably not, as may become evident in future elections.

    #220251
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    And what is the policy of the supposed “socialist” wing of the Labour Party,

    According to Weekly Worker’s remedy, it is not to abandon the Labour Party, but to remain members and to “demand that Labour be refounded as a united front of all socialist and working class organisations… we urge the militant left not only to stay and fight back against Starmer’s latest attacks, but also to use the opportunity he has given us to deepen the struggle to win the working class movement to the Marxist programme of republican democracy, ecological sustainability and universal human liberation.”

    In reality, they will continue to sharpen the axe to a razor’s edge that will be used against them.

    https://www.weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/1357/sir-keirs-road-to-brighton/

    It is as myopic as those in American DSA who decline to recognise the Democratic Party as the class representative of a section of the capitalists.

    #220680
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Ken Loach has said he has been expelled from the Labour party.

    Loach, whose films are regarded as landmarks of social realism, claimed the move by the party was because he would “not disown those already expelled”

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/14/director-ken-loach-expelled-labour-party

    #222839
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Despite Starmer’s leadership is in question, the Guardian continues its attacks on Jeremy Corbyn

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/28/jeremy-corbyn-labour-fringe-event-time-warp

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