Argentina: the crisis is hitting the workers

October 2024 Forums General discussion Argentina: the crisis is hitting the workers

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  • #244651
    Anonymous
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    https://en.internationalism.org/content/17356/argentina-crisis-hitting-workers

    There is also a big crisis within the Peronist movement and the Peronist leadership. Another member of the Pink Tide that is in crisis, and probably the right wingers are going to take power again. The Peronist government of Fernandez is giving wage increase in installments, as soon as the vice president leaves the government she will be taken to jail, a lawyer that was not able to prove her case

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    Faced with the constant attacks on their living conditions, the Argentinean working class is responding with a growing fighting spirit. The bourgeoisie in Argentina is preparing for the possibility of a wave of strikes in different sectors. That is why the government with the support of the unions is taking immediate measures to contain the anger in response to the deteriorating conditions – to the precariousness and the effects of globally rising inflation. Though offering wage increases by instalments has become very fashionable right now, this will not compensate for the loss of purchasing power due to inflation in all the countries of the world, including Argentina.

    Argentina is currently the country with the second highest inflation in the region after Venezuela. By the end of 2022 the rate of inflation had reached 94%, the highest since 1991. The economic consequences of the war in Ukraine1 following the covid pandemic have been severe. Inflation has caused a deterioration in the material conditions of the population but this deterioration has become much worse for the working class in all countries. Inflation is eroding the purchasing power of workers while wages remain static. It is not by chance that on 26 August last year, the Argentine government has announced a 21% increase in the minimum wage in three stages, rising from 47,850 pesos per month (around 200 euros) to 57,900 pesos (243 euros) in November this year2.

    #245809
    Anonymous
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    https://apnews.com/article/argentina-peso-javier-milei-primary-election-president-latin-america-ff50868368fa85f0110033aa1e5607c8

    Argentine far-right outsider Javier Milei takes shock lead in primary vote

    As we have said, the conservatives and the right wingers do not need fascism or violences to take control of the state and the capitalist economy when they can use the electoral process and the legal system to be elected, and also they have a large support within the working class, the leftists, Trotskyists and stalinist fascist scare propagated by the left-winger does not work any more

    And admirer of Donald Trump similar to Bolsonaro of Brazil and a right wing populist won the primary in Argentina, and Bolsonoro won due to the elimination of a strong opposition candidate known as Ignacio Lula, he was sent to jail and then he was released, and he had a large support from the working class, and the evangelicals

    Also wherever the leftists have been in control of the state and the economic for several years the workers always try to elect a right winger. therefore, it make not difference if the capitalist economy is administered by rightists or by leftists, or by the lesser evil, although both sides claim to be the lesser evil

    The Peronists might be replaced after several years of being the favored ones within the working class, and the Vice President who is an old Peronist militant, as soon as she finish her vice presidential period she might be facing jail time, another strong political opponent that is being removed thru legal maneuvers.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/argentinas-vp-cristina-kirchner-faces-corruption-trial-verdict-2022-12-06/

    The same situation is taking place in Chile, the conservatives already have control of the senate and they have received several victory and big portion of the working class is supporting them. The world is moved toward authoritarian governments and populists

    #245820
    Anonymous
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    The moderators of this forum should look at their Spam folders. Matt and Alan used to do that

    #245871
    Anonymous
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    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/8/14/far-right-javier-milei-wins-most-votes-in-argentinas-primary-election

    A far-right populist candidate has rocked Argentina’s political establishment, emerging as the biggest vote-getter in a primary election to choose nominees for presidential elections in October.

    With some 90 percent of ballots counted on Sunday, the far-right libertarian economist Javier Milei had 30.5 percent of the vote, according to unofficial results, a share far higher than predicted.

    PS A country that has been dominated by leftist governments for several years the workers want to elect an Anarcho capitalist candidate, the same phenomenon has taking place in different countries. It looks like the pink tide is losing some of their members
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_tide

    #246232
    Anonymous
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    https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6944351

    The problem is not this crazy guy the problem is the mad house, millions of workers support him including the peronists. The sale of human organs would be allowed like a normal business deal Donald Trump is a Boy Scout

    #246233
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Confirmation of our argument that the inevitable failure of reformist parties to make capitalism work in the interest of the majority class of workers paves the way for the growth of ‘right wing’ populist parties. An ‘anarcho-capitalist’ president opposed to abortion and sex education does sound a bit of contradiction. Of course he, too, would fail but he and his cronies might be able to line their pockets before being kicked out like Trump and Bolsonaro.

    #246262
    Anonymous
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    ALB
    Keymaster
    Confirmation of our argument that the inevitable failure of reformist parties to make capitalism work in the interest of the majority class of workers paves the way for the growth of ‘right wing’ populist parties. An ‘anarcho-capitalist’ president opposed to abortion and sex education does sound a bit of contradiction. Of course he, too, would fail but he and his cronies might be able to line their pockets before being kicked out like Trump and Bolsonaro.

    Similar to this case, the Polish right wings might lose the election

    Right-wing Polish government, afraid of coming election, ramps up fear campaign

    #246595
    Anonymous
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    After so many left wing governments, left-wings presidents, leftist trades agreement , commercial cartels, financial trusts, nationalist slogans, strong national currency, nationalist banking system, or one single latin American currency, and alliance with the pink tides, all of them have failed. and they have produced more misery to the workers

    Leftwing organizations from different Leninist tendencies, conducted marches and protests for reforms, anarchists and trotskyist glorifying the taking of factories running them as capitalist enterprises, (or the so called cooperative) and glorifying guerrillas groups, showing hundred of pictures of the “Commandant Che Guevara” in public places like the new Moses, all of then have failed too and capitalism continued marching like before

    All of them promoting reformism, to beautify capitalism, and to grease the wheels of the capitalist machinery in the name of the working class, and everything became worst, but, it paved the way for the election of an ultra right wing radical or extremists, and then workers are going to get tired of him, but he will end up becoming another millionaire like all the others including Hugo Chavez, Nicolas Maduro and Fidel Castro . As our dear Matt said here: Every reform bring the next crisis

    Now in Argentina, probably the workers are going to elect a so called anti communist who is going to reverse all the so called communists reforms,( like De Santis anti woke tactic, Trump and Bolsonaro anti communism ) such as abortion, sexual education, medical services, free tuition, public education, public transportation, social benefits for the poor, climate protection agencies, to reduce taxes for the rich, to promote ‘free market’ ( including the sale of human organs ) reduction of state expending, and austerity plan, and the dollarization of the economy. Isn’t that what Milton Friedman called Monetarism ? Like we said in an article: Old religion repacked

    Proving what we have said for years: The problem is capitalism the problem are not the leaders, the populists, the governments, state agencies, fascism, Neo fascism, Neoliberalism, or the political parties, and the other problem is the lack of class consciousness of the world working class, and finally that capitalism can not be reformed.

    In Chile the leftwings used the scare tactic of Fascism during the election , and when they lost the constitutional votes, immediately they made alliances and compromised themselves with the right wingers or the so called fascists, or post fascists , and they knew that it was difficult for them to carry over all the false promises made during the campaign,, the workers voted against the president proposals, and the leftwing who were supporting him deposited blanks votes because it was mandatory to vote

    Wherever the leftist have tried to reform capitalism, the workers have voted against them and that includes France

    #246605
    Lizzie45
    Blocked

    Wherever the leftists have tried to reform capitalism, the workers have voted against them and that includes France.

    Hmm, more than likely they voted to retain the status quo.
    People generally hate change, particularly change which is untried and untested.

    Which is why capitalism remains the only game in town.

    #246606
    robbo203
    Participant

    Hmm, more than likely they voted to retain the status quo.
    People generally hate change, particularly change which is untried and untested.

    Which is why capitalism remains the only game in town.
    …………………….

    If people hate change how come capitalism exists? Wouldn’t it have been better to have stuck with feudalism? Your qualifying (or cop-out) argument might be that “capitalism! was tried and tested on a small scale before being generally accepted (how? by a show of hands? LOL) could equally apply to a communist or socialist society. See David Graeber´s concept of “everyday communism”

    The Occupy Movement and the Communism of Everyday Life

    #246608
    Lizzie45
    Blocked

    If people hate change how come capitalism exists?

    Fairly obvious I would have thought. Capitalism didn’t require a politically conscious and overwhelming majority to bring it about. Only a relatively small and sufficiently motivated minority prepared to take risks.

    But that’s another story 🙂

    #246609
    DJP
    Participant

    “Capitalism didn’t require a politically conscious and overwhelming majority to bring it about. Only a relatively small and sufficiently motivated minority prepared to take risks.”

    So you’re saying that people don’t like change but a minority was able to enact change against the wishes of that majority?

    #246610
    robbo203
    Participant

    Fairly obvious I would have thought. Capitalism didn’t require a politically conscious and overwhelming majority to bring it about. Only a relatively small and sufficiently motivated minority prepared to take risks.

    ………………..

    A totally irrelevant argument by the looks of it. According to your arch-conservative dogmatic view of the world, “people generally hate change”. If that were true homo sapiens would still be roaming the African savannah.

    You try to get around this obvious nonsense by first asserting that it is “particularly” (or maybe you mean, “only”) change that is “untried and untested” that you have in mind and that can never happen. This begs the obvious question. The kind of change you have in mind that presumably IS possible to make, having been “tried and tested”, must have at one point been untried and untested before it was tried and tested. But how is it ever going to be tried and tested if, according to you, “people generally hate change” and are inherently reluctant to experiment? Explain

    Secondly, you assert that “Capitalism didn’t require a politically conscious and overwhelming majority to bring it about”. That is true enough but quite beside the point. We are talking about the motivation to bring about a different society, NOT the method…

    What you really want to say, I guess, is that the majority will never want to establish an alternative to capitalism or are incapable of ever wanting to do that. Again this is a mere dogmatic assertion for which you supply no evidence whatsoever. You no more possess a crystal ball than we do.

    Apart from that this implies a very naive way of looking at how ideas catch on and spread. Socialist ideas are not propagated in a vacuum but in a social environment that is at the moment very much hostile to them. We cannot say whether such ideas will ever catch on and spread, or how that might happen, but if it does happen it is very likely that the spread of these ideas will take an exponential form as the social climate adapts to accommodate them.

    The socialist movement is at the moment tiny and inconsequential but that doesn’t mean it has to be forever and forever and that there is some law in human nature (which evidently bypassed us few human beings who happen to be socialists!) that human beings must always spurn socialism. That´s just ultra-conservative ideological hogwash.

    In many ways, if David Graeber’s argument is to be believed people are already halfway there in the way they behave – in their “everyday communism”

    #246611
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Wherever the leftists have tried to reform capitalism, the workers have voted against them and that includes France.

    Hmm, more than likely they voted to retain the status quo.
    People generally hate change, particularly change which is untried and untested.

    Which is why capitalism remains the only game in town.

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    Do you really know the economic history of mankind ? Capitalism was an untested economic system considered as an utopia and it became the world economic system, the only system that was tested and tried in that time was Feudalism, which only existed in Europe and Japan. did they try to keep Feudalism ? You should read the history of the English, and the French bourgeoisie revolution.( where the concept of right and left came about ) none of those economic systems were tried and tested and they were placed in power by the peasants. Before European Feudalism, classical slavery was a tested an tried economic system and it existed for a longer period than Feudalism, and the peasants, plebeians and slaves established an untested economic system

    Do you know the history of the leftwing movement from Argentina ? There are hundred of leftwing organizations from different Leninists, anarchists, blanquis, rural guerrillas fighters, and Guevarists tendencies, and the one who prevailed for several years were the Peronists and it was a nationalist movement, despite the fact that workers have had several uprising, it was one of the pillars of the Latin America bourgeoisie revolution which entered into conflict with the USA capitalist class

    The government of Domingo Peron did the same thing that was done in Cuba, and Mexico when Cardenas was a president, and both were military officers. Also the Anarco Capitalists who are right wingers have several organizations, and before this new one who might win the election, there was an ultra right wing group who won the past election, and defeated the peronists, which means that workers have been switching from left to right and from right to left, because the right wingers were defeated again by the Peronists, and the Peronists at the present time do not have a strong candidate and they can be defeated again, therefore, workers have been involved mainly into reformism, which is a tendency around the whole world due to the fact of the lack of class consciousness within the working class

    If workers want to keep the status quo, why haven’t they kept the Peronist in power? They are apologist of the capitalist mode of production, nationalism, bourgeois democracy, state capitalism, and bourgeois reforms ( which is the only game in town ) they have been replaced by another form of apologists of the capitalist mode of production ( market capitalism ) due to the fact that they have not been able to make the changes that they promised to the workers because capitalism can not be reformed to satisfy the needs of the majority of human beings, it is a system that must always support the interest of a minority, and the actual government did that, they were forced to negotiate with the IMF, they were forced to provide large profits to the big corporations.

    The rate of inflation is 115%, and inflation is monetary devaluation, and the new candidate wants to dollarize the economy, and it was done in another Latin America country such as El Salvador and the problems facing the workers were not resolved, on the contrary they went into a deeper crisis, therefore, the real problem is the only game in town which is capitalism

    This is a small history of the long history of Argentina:
    https://en.internationalism.org/content/16757/argentinean-cordobazo-may-1969-moment-resurgence-international-class-struggle
    https://en.internationalism.org/content/17356/argentina-crisis-hitting-workers
    https://en.internationalism.org/wr/251_argentina.htm
    https://en.internationalism.org/ir/119_piqueteros.html
    https://en.internationalism.org/international-review/201802/14921/anarcho-syndicalism-argentinafora1
    https://en.internationalism.org/ir/109_argentina.html

    Argentina’s Worker-Run Factories: What Next?

    #246614
    Lizzie45
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    So you’re saying that people don’t like change but a minority was able to enact change against the wishes of that majority?

    What on earth are you going on about? Reference was being made to the transition from Feudalism to Capitalism where the overwhelming majority, the peasantry, had no say in the matter.

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