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July 19, 2026 at 7:55 am #264863
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ParticipantAll agreed.
July 19, 2026 at 8:03 am #264864Thomas_More
ParticipantBut it’s also of interest how one blood cult from the ancient world – with all its fantastical beliefs and against all reason and common sense – still controls so many minds in the 21st century.
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July 19, 2026 at 9:45 am #264866Ciudadano Del Mundo
ParticipantBut the US churches do not constitute a single church (unless they all unite and form one), so which one would be the state church and the state clergy?
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Most of them are Arminian, and the rest are Calvinist. There is no official religion. They claim that the US is a Christian nation, but it is not; there are more than 370 different types of religions. It is different to Latin America, where the catholic religion became the religion of the state and the religion of the nation, and the religion of the educational system and the court system, and signed concordats (concordato) with different governments, including dictators.
A “concordato” is an official agreement or settlement. The term primarily refers to a formal treaty between the Vatican and a sovereign state defining the relationship between the Catholic Church and the government. In civil or business contexts, it translates to an arrangement or settlement to avoid bankruptcy.
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In international law, a concordat is a binding treaty between the Holy See (representing the Catholic Church) and a national government. Concordat –
These treaties define the church’s legal status, rights, and privileges within the country.
The Lateran Treaty (1929): An agreement between Italy and the Holy See that established Vatican City as an independent sovereign state.
Reichskonkordat (1933): A controversial treaty between the Vatican and Nazi Germany regulating the rights of the Catholic Church in Germany.
Concordat of 1801: Signed between Napoleon Bonaparte and Pope Pius VII, seeking to reconcile French Catholics with the secular government after the French Revolution.
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Derived from the Italian/Spanish verbs meaning “to agree” or “to settle,” the noun form (e.g., concordat in English, concordato in Italian) refers broadly to an agreed-upon compromise or resolution. In business or contract law, this can mean a pre-arranged settlement, an agreed price (prezzo concordato), or contractual terms (decisioni concordate)
July 19, 2026 at 10:12 am #264867Thomas_More
ParticipantU.S. American evangelicalism is spreading here in the UK.
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July 19, 2026 at 12:24 pm #264871Ciudadano Del Mundo
ParticipantU.S. American evangelicalism is spreading here in the UK.
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They are fanatics and anti-scientific
July 19, 2026 at 12:30 pm #264872Thomas_More
ParticipantThey are fanatics and anti-scientific.
Absolutely!
And I think most of the “secular” conspiracy “theorists” are on their way to becoming Christian evangelicals. Many are already Young Earth Creationists.
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July 19, 2026 at 6:07 pm #264875Ciudadano Del Mundo
ParticipantBut it’s also of interest how one blood cult from the ancient world – with all its fantastical beliefs and against all reason and common sense – still controls so many minds in the 21st century.
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It shows what Karl Marx said:
Karl Marx argued that religion exists because the material and social conditions that require it—oppression, alienation, and suffering—still exist.
He famously referred to it as the “opium of the people,” meaning it serves as an illusory comfort that dulls the pain of real societal distress without curing it.
His core argument about why religion survives relies on materialist philosophy:
Marx wrote in his Contribution to the Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right that religious suffering is both the “expression of real suffering” and a “protest against real suffering”.
People turn to the divine because their earthly conditions are intolerable.
Because capitalism and class inequality strip workers of their humanity and dignity, religion acts as a metaphysical balm. It promises a better afterlife or divine justice, which pacifies the oppressed and redirects their focus away from changing the material world.
For Marx, one cannot just wish religion away by attacking faith. He believed that “the abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness”. As long as the root causes of alienation and inequality remain, the “condition which needs illusions” persists.
“Religion is the opium of the people. It is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of our soulless conditions.”
Marx’s view on religion is different to the secular atheists
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July 19, 2026 at 6:10 pm #264876Thomas_More
ParticipantYes. Just so.
July 19, 2026 at 6:32 pm #264878Ciudadano Del Mundo
ParticipantThe widespread prevalence of religion in an advanced society like the USA shows that workers are oppressed and alienated, but most of them do not want to admit it; even more, the concept of class struggle is not even mentioned in USA society; it is hidden;
The real illusion is that they think that they are free and they are not wage slaves, and that anybody can become rich by working hard, and when they become old, that dream never realises, and religion is the best alternative to cover up their oppression produced by the capitalist class.
Corruption is always blamed on the politicians or the foreign workers, but it is never blamed on the capitalist mode of production where a minority group of human beings take their own labour and become rich, and that concept is not mentioned either; labour stealing has been blessed by the legal system; it is not strange that a man like Trump could have been elected president
A rich man like Trump is worshipped like a god, because the rich themselves have said that they are not corrupt because they do have money, and corruption exists within the poor people, which motivates workers to go against other workers.
Evangelicals have created a new idea known as the gospel of prosperity, saying that God has blessed them, and pastors are allowed to have money and live like kings; therefore, rich people have also been blessed by god, the same old concept of the Egyptian kings and feudalist kings
July 20, 2026 at 2:46 pm #264888Thomas_More
ParticipantThe Jesus of the Gospels is in fact the antithesis of community. Leave one’s family and community, one’work in that community, and follow an itinerant preacher? It is not only anti-community in a Judaean culture in which community and social responsibility are everything; it is 100% destructive of society!
The community, and the poor especially (until rich converts can be tempted), not only lose pairs of hands, sons, etc., but have to supply the itinerant drop-outs with the necessities of life. The itinerants are parasites.
The same with the holy itinerants and ascetics of other religions. The poor supply, daily, the sadhus of India and the monks of S E. Asia with their food bowls. And later in Europe the itinerant friars.
Which is why the community, in order to tolerate them, needs to be persuaded of reward after death.
July 21, 2026 at 4:15 am #264900Ciudadano Del Mundo
ParticipantIt is against the concept of community within the original Jewish tribes.
The sense of community in Judaism is often described as “peoplehood” or “tribalism”, representing an extended family connected by shared history, covenant, and mutual responsibility.
Rather than just a religion, it is an ethnoreligious identity where individual purpose and communal wellbeing are deeply intertwined. The community structure is defined by several core concepts:
Mutual Responsibility: Grounded in the phrase Kol Yisrael Arevim Zeh BaZeh (all Israel is responsible for one another), this creates a strong social safety net. It is realised through acts of loving-kindness (Chessed), such as delivering meals to mourners (sitting shiva) or visiting the sick.
Kehillah (Communal Assembly): Jewish tradition emphasises coming together for prayer (e.g., the requirement of a minyan for communal worship) and celebrating life-cycle events. Shared meals and holidays foster bonding and collective memory. Diversity as Modern Tribalism: While specific tribal lineages (aside from the Kohanim and Levites) were largely lost after ancient exiles, the various global Jewish communities (such as Ashkenazi, Sephardi, and Mizrahi) function as modern-day “tribes.”
These subgroups preserve unique customs and philosophies that enrich the broader nation. Shared Values and Action: Programs like The Tribe and movements like the Foundation for Jewish Camp focus on bringing diverse families and youth together to learn values and participate in social action (tikkun olam)
July 21, 2026 at 2:09 pm #264902Thomas_More
ParticipantReading a number of academic writers on the possible origins of the Jesus myth, Kautsky’s analysis comes the closest and is the only plausible explanation of an historical person, or more accurately, persons.
Thirty years on from the supposed execution (c. 33 CE), during which time there is utter silence on the matter, we suddenly find Christians emerging. They write stories about a character they mould from a number of rebel leaders (by the time they begin to write, in the 60s CE, we are in the era of the Zealots and Rome’s military actions against them). The Christians set this composite leader’s acts and demise thirty years previously, in the reign of Tiberius.
The Christians, though, are not a uniform group, but many opposing groups with ideas taken from both Jewish and Hellenist traditions, as are the simultaneous cults emerging at the same time, incorporating other religious and magical stories from Asia. These elements coalesce into the sacrificial motif of the “Χριστος/Christ”, whose character can be whatever each cult wants.July 21, 2026 at 2:28 pm #264903Thomas_More
ParticipantAs the churches grow and develop, in more settled communities, they warn their members against the very itinerant preachers of whom the Jesus of the Gospels is one. They adopt social cohesion (within each Christian cult) and their overwhelmingly urban organisation mirrors exactly that of Roman urban organization and administration. Do not tolerate the itinerant moochers becomes their watchword. In other words, Jesuses get lost.
July 21, 2026 at 11:28 pm #264928Ciudadano Del Mundo
ParticipantInstead of Christianity, it should have been called Jesuism because there were many Christian sects, Christs, and messiahs around the ancient and Roman world. The letters of Paul should have been first organised or indexed in the Bible because his writings appeared before the Greek and Roman scriptures. Many of his letters ( or whoever wrote them ) contradict the New Testament
July 21, 2026 at 11:34 pm #264929Thomas_More
ParticipantSome believe he was a Gnostic.
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