Young Master Smeet
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If there are no meetings, there are no minutes, usually it'll be the decision of one member, and the agreement (usually express or sometimes on minor matters by silence). So, say, for moderation of the fora, a Moderator will take a personal decision, and it will stand, if any member of the committee calls it in it gets discussed, or they might all send an email concurring, if they can't agree, they write to the EC.Lets take another example. A branch wants to hold a meeeting, on, say, William Morris, and writes to the library committee asking for a copy of Well at Worlds end. A member of the library committee writes back, saying, no, the book is in too shabby a state to travel or be posted. Should there be minutes for that? A branch's democratic activity is being curtailed.The question is, do we want a stultifying bureaucracy where nothing happens unless we get three physical people into a room, whose primary task is writing minutes?Democracy is not just nose counting. The activity of the party is carried out by its members, and they are accountabkle through a whole range of structures.1) Informal discusson2) Resolution of a branch3) resolution to the EC4) Resolution of the EC5) Branch poll6) Floor resolution at ADM7)Floor resolution at cofnerence8) Instructed resolution to conference9) Party pollSo far, we're at 1.
Well, the branch wasn't 'refused' if the IC wanted to do something different with the account. Still not seeing a problem really. Get a different twitter handle.
However, I don't see what that has to do with anything.The bottom line seems to be:1) You asked IC to carry out a project2) They declinedMuch fuss about little.
For those of you who dabble in English:
My Evil Self wrote:It seems…Anyway,http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/forum/world-socialist-movement/twitter-and-reformism?page=2#comment-28190Would seem to substantiate that seeming.
So, Sanders has taken Michigan (in a surprise given the polling). Also, apparently on an increased (for a primary) turnout. Whatever we think of his actual policies, I think it is heartening that there is an expression of something other than free market individualism, and that his movement is going to have to be taken seriously. In office, I suspect he would be indistinguishable from Obama.Its interesting to see the racialised divisions in the US, as (I assume pro-Clinton) supporters keep on going on about his lack of connexion with African American voters, and how they don't respond to his 'class' narrative. In some senses, Michigan refutes that.As a side note, as a Jewish presidential candidate, he carried a largely Muslim district in Michigan, which does seem to tell against the myths of eternal racial antagonisms, and suggests that where they persist it is to the benefit of some.
ALB wrote:I don't suppose there are many Trotskyists today who envisage a gold-backed currency in the early stages of their so-called "transitional society" (i.e a state capitalism ruled by their vanguard party) but you never know. There might be a Trotskyist sect somewhere that still clings to this.I suppose this goes to that strain of 'Marxism' that about revealing the 'true' value of goods, as exposed in the form of Labor Vouchers normally.
Seems the count on the final seat has justy finished, and Labour has made it to seven TD's, which will give them rights as a technical group in the Dail.https://twitter.com/CiaraLeena/status/705306287005954048Think that result also will put FG on 50 seats.The Horse trading has begun.
The contrast with Spain is interesting:https://theconversation.com/just-a-reminder-that-spain-still-doesnt-have-a-government-55884After a similarly inconlusive election (where the Right party was largest but not a majority) they still have no government. There Podemos is playign the SInn Fein role, but the difference in Ireland is the two largest parties are of the right, and may be moving to coalition in a way that the So"Socialists" won't witht he People's Party in Spain. In Spain the Catalans are filling the Indpeendent space (and lets recall, Irelands indpendents tend to be ex-Party, usually FG or FF).Portugal remains headed by a minority government too.
Tim Kilgallon wrote:Then taking into account all you have said, why is their no account (hence accountability) from the IC as to why Cde Marratty (who has passed his speaker and candidate test) was turned down from taking over the official twitter account. I'm not saying I agree with or disagree with the decision, just saying I have no information about the reasoning for that decision and as such cannot hold the IC accountable for the correctness or otherwise of that decision. Do you see my point?Sorry, I meant to reply to this one over the weekend. Per:http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/forum/world-socialist-movement/twitter-account-worldsocialismcom?page=7#comment-30391It seems the IC had different plans for the account, and wanted a companion party to operate it. That has no reflection on Cde. Marratty, AFAICS, buit simply a different idea for how to use it.
Vin wrote:No you were not. The records are there. Telling me not to raise 'internal' matters in public. It was the reason given by the EC for refusing my re entry into the party. It was why I left the party in the first place, but by all means re write historyThe evidence of fifteen years of Spintcom files tells a different story (which I continued reading whilst outside the party), as do the files for the old WSM forum, whatever incident you're referring to, any interested enquirer will see that we have always been discussing internal p[arty matters on piblicly viewable forums.
Tim Kilgallon wrote:A person may be unsuitable for a particular kind of job, however the management of a twitter account is a fairly straightforward job that, in my opinion, is one that any technically competent member should be able to carry out.There I strongly disagree, the social media orperators should at least have passed the speaker's test. The operation of a social media account has possibilities for imediate and irrepasrable reputational harm.
Tim Kilgallon wrote:Just a very quick and very straight forward yes or no question YMS. Do you think that officers and committees of the party should be accountable for their actions?Yes. And I think they are.
Vin wrote:And that is down to meYou know well we could not have had this discussion when I first joined. My suspensions were basically for discussing 'internal matters on a public forum' (Jesus!) Now we are moving toward open criticism of each otherWe were having internal party discussions on publicly available forums long before you turned up. Spintcom and SPopen have always been publicly readable, and the old WSM Yahoo list was the scene of many a happy bust up. So, no, it isn't down to you.
Quote:To me if you are not reliable enough to be trusted with a twitter account, then you are not reliable enough to be trusted with a party membership, and I trust Vin's Socialist credibility.That doesn't follow, a person may well be a member, and a sound socialist, but be unsuitable for a particular kind of job, that's why we have elections, nominations and appointments.
